Desperate need of a Programmer!
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Re: Desperate need of a Programmer!
Posted by fitch_jake on Thu Jul 21st at 6:06pm 2005


? quoting habboi
I have to agree, I looked at the site and thought this isn't going to get done! One model :O

Seriously you need way loads of media to get coders, coding isn't easy and they don't want to waste their time on a mod thats going to fail.

Look at other mod sites and see what I mean!



The site wasn't exactly put together by professionals, but website designers don't really program games, and they don't help the game either. Apply on the forums like I did and you will see more screenshots of models, the website manager just hasn't really been around to update the website.





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Re: Desperate need of a Programmer!
Posted by French Toast on Thu Jul 21st at 6:13pm 2005


Well, this thread went well <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif">




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Re: Desperate need of a Programmer!
Posted by Dark_Kilauea on Thu Jul 21st at 6:13pm 2005


Cyax, you should listen to us. We do know what we are doing. Ignoring advice is NEVER a good idea.

Until Later...



Dark_Kilauea
DVS Administration
http://www.dvstudio-production.com/



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Re: Desperate need of a Programmer!
Posted by Cyax on Thu Jul 21st at 6:14pm 2005


It is good to see that the reason I quit this community is still around here, but it seems to be worse.

Good to see that the admins of this site still do not give two flying f**ks about people pointlessly flaming others.

Good to see that ignorant assholes thrive, and that this place is still garbage, and it was; as it will remain to be.

And, Dark_Kilauea, you need to shut the f**k up before someone punches you out.





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Re: Desperate need of a Programmer!
Posted by Dark_Kilauea on Thu Jul 21st at 6:17pm 2005


*Laughs hard, falls off seat*



Dark_Kilauea
DVS Administration
http://www.dvstudio-production.com/



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Re: Desperate need of a Programmer!
Posted by Alvar on Thu Jul 21st at 6:18pm 2005


Hi there. Its great to see that as soon as a group of people get together to try and work on a new mod that we get bombarded with posts like these. You guys are excessivly ignorant and quite frankly, pissing me off. A mod is a mod, Myrk we are starting small. A mod is never released complete, theres always room for expansion. However, I can't stand to see us bashed by a community, when we are dedicated to the project. I realize that RPGs are very difficult to construct, however, it has been done in the Halflife series. Take a look at Master Sword, a small RPG mod, yet fun. Quest is also one thats looking good (dunno if its still around). We are dedicated developers, the project has just been started, and we were looking for more people to help bring the mod to a release. If posting it here was a mistake then we are sorry, but please, don't act like assholes.




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Re: Desperate need of a Programmer!
Posted by Campaignjunkie on Thu Jul 21st at 6:28pm 2005


I have two words for you: Ad Hominem. Address the points instead of calling everyone an asshole, thanks.

If your mod (or team, rather) can't face criticism in concept stages, there's not much of a chance it will withstand it later on. There's problems in your design - big, gaping problems - and you can't seem to divorce yourselves from some misguided romantic image of modmaking. Be more rational!




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Re: Desperate need of a Programmer!
Posted by Orpheus on Thu Jul 21st at 6:34pm 2005


I have avoided this because Cyax is just one rung above Rugal around here but.. I have to wonder if he buys anything with the same foresight he displays in his recruiting scheme?

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I'm not intrested in your critism, or thoughts on the modification; I'm looking for people to join the team, not to destroy the team. If you have no intrest in joining, do not leave a post on this thread.

Can you imagine a salesman selling a car and saying this to the customer?

Cyax is trying to sell his product but when people want to find out the particulars they are discouraged.

Not good methinks.

Cyax, fear not about others doing damage to your Mod, you have taken care of that all by yourself.





The best things in life, aren't things.



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Re: Desperate need of a Programmer!
Posted by Alvar on Thu Jul 21st at 6:40pm 2005


Problems in the design. Would be so kind as to point those out? Considering the fact that we have just begun "design" I don't see how this is possible.




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Re: Desperate need of a Programmer!
Posted by Dark_Kilauea on Thu Jul 21st at 6:57pm 2005


Ok, I took a serious look at what you have. You can kick my account if you wish... You do have a concept, but you need more. Give it time, and once you have maps, area's mapped, models, sounds, textures, ect, then you might see coders come into the picture.
I, myself, would help if I had time. I would enjoy a chance to do some medievil style area's and models. You know how it is, work just gets in the way sometimes.
Please understand, you are going to get a lot of negative comments because what you are doing is so ambishious. You must be able to recieve critizisem to suceed.

Until later... ...I shall watch this project.




Dark_Kilauea
DVS Administration
http://www.dvstudio-production.com/



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Re: Desperate need of a Programmer!
Posted by DrGlass on Thu Jul 21st at 7:30pm 2005


TAKE WHAT YOU GET

We aren't bashing your mod beucase we have nothing better to do, we are helping you. Live a day in the real world and you'll understand that help isn't always coverd in sugar and easy to swallow.

Sure you didn't ask for it, but your getting it. I have news for you, we are the kind of people who will take the time to try out stuff like this, we know what works and what doesn't.

Its clear that you havn't though this through and when we bring up a point you over looked you take it as a personal attack.

How old are you? I pitty you if you want to do this for real one day.




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Re: Desperate need of a Programmer!
Posted by Captain P on Thu Jul 21st at 8:00pm 2005


The about section sounds just too over-ambitious and loose indeed. Even with a little research you can easily spot a lot of trouble coming.


Dynamic worlds are ok. Some interactivity is never bad, items to collect and secrets to discover are good. But gigantic worlds where you can go freelancing? That does indeed sound like a MMO. Don't forget those servers are expensive to put up, and it'll take a lot of modifications to the HL2 netcoding to support things like that. Without a coder, the mod is dead. Without a good, dedicated coder, the mod is still dead.
PvP, gigantic worlds, teaming up, guild-forming... what are you aiming for? Player versus player for example brings a lot of issues with itself. Many games just don't do this because of the trouble. Do some research into it and you'll understand my point better.

Gaining experience, weilding two-handed swords, using magic, doing quests, gathering items... it's all in the average RPG you get. Nothing new there. So ask yourself the question: why, if I had the choice between a dozen of free MMORPG's, would I play my mod?
If you can't answer that question, then your design isn't good.


I might sound negative. Perhaps I am.
However, you don't want to waste 1 or 2 years to a project that never gets done because you hadn't investigated the effort that would be required. You'd better spend 6 months on a smaller project that does get released.






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Re: Desperate need of a Programmer!
Posted by Orpheus on Thu Jul 21st at 8:03pm 2005


? quoting Captain P
However, you don't want to waste 1 or 2 years to a project

Sadly, there are damned few Gollums.





The best things in life, aren't things.



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Re: Desperate need of a Programmer!
Posted by Alvar on Thu Jul 21st at 8:12pm 2005


Captain P you misunderstood! There is only ONE world of which you can explore..and it is not just one map!! The whole world is a compilation of many maps from which you zone to and fro. Anyways Dark, I understand what you are saying, and I also understand how criticism can help the ambition and dedication we have for the project, however, I really really don't think it helps to come out swinging saying that the mod will die right off the bat. Thats not criticism thats just rude talk. Keep it cool, keep it calm. Any questions, I can answer them.




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Re: Desperate need of a Programmer!
Posted by Cyax on Thu Jul 21st at 8:12pm 2005


Well put, thanks Alvar.





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Re: Desperate need of a Programmer!
Posted by Orpheus on Thu Jul 21st at 8:22pm 2005


? quoting Cyax

Are you as dumb as you sound? He adressed all the points, fool.

I am not exactly sure what message CJ was attempting to convey with his link but you calling someone thats much more experienced in mapping "Fool" is not warming you on anyone.

Cyax.. Take a breather and come back when you can post responsibly. As long as that may take.





The best things in life, aren't things.



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Re: Desperate need of a Programmer!
Posted by Cyax on Thu Jul 21st at 8:23pm 2005


Anyways, Orpheous rate on my current projects not from eight years ago, not too many can gain rank of head mapper with garbage maps that I indeed made eight years ago.





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Re: Desperate need of a Programmer!
Posted by Alvar on Thu Jul 21st at 8:30pm 2005


Look..the thing is, we are working on a mod. If you don't like that we are working on a mod (which obviously you don't) AND DO NOT QUOTE ME ON THAT. If you have such a problem with our mod why don't you just back off a bit and let people who may be interested step it. It doesn't benefit anyone to crash on a mod thats just been started. So everyone, chill out...if you want to post negative stuff PLEASE go someone else because this thread has just had it.


Thank you.

-Alvar




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Re: Desperate need of a Programmer!
Posted by Andrei on Thu Jul 21st at 8:47pm 2005



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fool



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Anyways, Orpheous rate on my current projects not from eight years ago, not too many can gain rank of head mapper with garbage maps that I indeed made eight years ago.



Speaking of which, I sincerely hope you are no longer the meathead you used to be not 8 years, but less than 2 years ago.

And now is the moment the thread's "had it".




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Re: Desperate need of a Programmer!
Posted by Captain P on Thu Jul 21st at 8:49pm 2005


The point is: know your abilities. Know what you can, and what you can't realistically pull off.

We don't say: don't try. We say: try something easier, something realistic. Your team is obviously not ready for this.
How do we know? Because we've tried ourselves. There's a lot of experienced people around here, even some professionals. People that tried and failed, and learned from that.

So sure, try. But try something that you think you can finish. Do some research into MMORPG making to find out the many, many issues you are likely to encounter. Companies fail at this, there's no reason your team will make it.


And Alvar, it's easy to misunderstand that without a clear About section on your site. We don't know what you assume is obvious.
Also, how do you think you're going to put that together? Thought about the issues? How the server should handle it? How map transitions are handled (streaming data or loading times for example)?







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