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Posted by Crono on Wed Jul 27th at 8:24pm 2005

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Why do you think it will be phased out Crono? In europe its barely even
made an appearance yet. What tech is due in to replace it?


Digital. Analog is suppose to be phased out here. HDTV is basically a computer monitor with an analog signal (Thus, if you buy a TV card for your computer make sure it has an HDTV decoder with component). Things just look better because of component (three cables one for each main color) and progressive scanning (which changes the way the tv renders the lines). It appears smoother.

But, Digital TV is a television which has analog as a secondary support (sometimes).
It's just a broadcasting thing; face it, plasma screen looks way better then HDTV, but it requires a digital signal of some sort to do so.

Anyway, this is just stuff I've read. So, don't get too bent out of shape if what I'm saying isn't 100%, but I do know that the US FCC wanted to phase out all analog signals regarding television by 2006. A bold assumption since they started in 2001 sometime and Digital TVs, at the time, cost well over $1000.

In that regard it'd be a good idea just to skip HDTV, since it costs the same now and wont be around as long. At least from my understanding. I don't know how it'd pan out in Europe, but As I understand it: TV, like broadcasting like in the US, is rare in other countries, so, that probably contributes a large deal.


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Posted by ReNo on Wed Jul 27th at 10:35pm 2005

I thought HDTV was just the way of saying it is higher resolution, and had nothing whatsoever to do with analog or digital input, but like you I really don't know that much about it. I think I've seen plasma screen TV's saying they support HDTV resolutions - HDTV's aren't a "type" of TV like plasma/rear projection/LCD as far as I'm aware, just a feature.




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Posted by Crono on Thu Jul 28th at 5:48am 2005

Erm. Perhaps "Also in HDTV" is a feature, but actual HDTVs are different then normal TVs, the same way your monitor is different then your TV, which is actually the same difference. Your monitor is an HDTV. In all actuallity, HDTVs can't go as high as monitors (I could be mistaken), but they are much larger in physical size.

Rear Projection: bah. Far cheaper to just buy a projector. You can get a really nice projector for $1500 (US).

On the note of projectors: I think some time in the next month I'll have a movie marathon in my garage with my projector and complete sound system hooked up ... if my harddrive would start working. (Don't ask).


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Posted by ReNo on Thu Jul 28th at 12:02pm 2005

I had a read about HDTV and I'm pretty sure that I was right in my last post. Places I looked didn't seem to make HDTV out as a "type" of TV, but something that is supported by a wide range of TV's. A prime example is CNET's "4 styles of HDTV" guide that covers all the different TV types that support HDTV...

http://www.cnet.com/4520-7874_1-5108443-1.html?tag=nav




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Posted by rival on Thu Jul 28th at 7:01pm 2005

HDTV is digital. Read here: http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/hdtv1.htm


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Posted by Crono on Thu Jul 28th at 8:49pm 2005

I imagine what has happened is they integrated digital tv into hdtv and that's what it is now, because a few years ago all hdtv was was a giant monitor, it became a feature, I suppose. And you guys are confusion what I mean by digital. I'm not talking about the TV it self but the signal it receives. It's a moot point if you have some sort of dish service since everything is digital there (or is suppose to be).
Does that make sense? It's really a feature if anything else. I just know that tvs like plasma are equipped to understand digital airwaves, most hdtvs aren't. But, now they're using it the same way they've used other terms, which is to say: differently then when they first coined it.

All I was saying is get a digital tv, as in, one that interprets digital airwaves. That's all.

And current HDTV that is broadcasted through the airwaves is NOT a digital signal.


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Posted by rival on Thu Jul 28th at 8:57pm 2005

read the howstuffworks article it says that HD is a digital signal.

? quoting howstuffworks.com
HDTV is high-resolution digital television (DTV).
Of the 18 DTV formats, six are HDTV formats
Imagine 720 or 1080 lines of resolution compared to the 525 lines people are used to in the United States (or the 625 lines in Europe) -- it's a huge difference!




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Posted by Crono on Fri Jul 29th at 6:01am 2005

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Posted by rival on Fri Jul 29th at 6:16am 2005

you said that the HDTV that is broadcast is not a digital signal. but howstuffworks.com says that HDTV is high-resolution digital television. of course it isnt avalible everywhere thats why it says 'High Definition where avalible'
a select few signals are digital but transmitted with analog thats why a non-digital TV can recieve programmes that are avalible in HD.

but i am still confused. you said earlier that they must have integrated HDTV with DTV and then you say, in the same post, that they are not the same!




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Posted by Crono on Fri Jul 29th at 6:37am 2005

If a signal is digital then transmitted as an analog frequency, then it's analog.

Perhaps, now, anything that has some sort of component connections (with an appropriate chip) is considered digital. Or the fluid, or maybe just because it doesn't have a tube. I don't know.

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you said earlier that they must have integrated HDTV with DTV and then you say, in the same post, that they are not the same!

I said they must have integrated digital signal recieving into HDTV-Recievers, or I used the plural "HDTVs", meaning a physical set, not the signal or anything like that.

It seems like it's all mixed and jumbled together now anyway, but what I was saying, originally, is that there is no guarantee that if you buy an HDTV capable set that it will decode digital signals on its own. It doesn't matter if you have a dish or cable though. I believe that's all I was saying.


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Posted by rival on Fri Jul 29th at 6:52am 2005

ah i misunderstood the root of the argument amidst all the debate. i think now though that a HDTV will be able to decode digital signal.


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Posted by Crono on Fri Jul 29th at 6:56am 2005

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ah i misunderstood the root of the argument amidst all the debate. i think now though that a HDTV will be able to decode digital signal.


Not all. Even though, I guess, it's suppose to be part of the standard now. But, I know most of them don't. That's why I was suggesting a truly digital product (as far as I'm aware)

But we could all be like sprint and just not allow a program if it doesn't have a high enough digital signal.


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Posted by rival on Fri Jul 29th at 7:00am 2005

high resolution analog is not the same as high definition. HD is digital. but many companies will say that their tv is 'High Definition' when all it does is diplay analog at higher resolution.


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Posted by Crono on Fri Jul 29th at 7:07am 2005

If the resolution is 780 to 1080 interlaced or progressive: it's HDTV. Breaking it down is pointless to call it something else, since all it deals with is the signal ... that doesn't define High Definition ... the higher definition does.

What you're saying, I have a feeling, is rather recent (last couple years). Because about three years ago we (general population) had HDTV and none of it was digital. (They were all CRT based televisions too)

I mean even digital cable isn't digital.


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Posted by Windows 98 on Fri Jul 29th at 11:59am 2005

Im not reading the thread (sorry) so excuse me if im wrong. This is called Internet 2 i heard. And will be like 1g a second when finished.



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Posted by rival on Fri Jul 29th at 6:32pm 2005

? quoting Crono
If the resolution is 780 to 1080 interlaced or progressive: it's HDTV. Breaking it down is pointless to call it something else, since all it deals with is the signal ... that doesn't define High Definition ... the higher definition does.

What you're saying, I have a feeling, is rather recent (last couple years). Because about three years ago we (general population) had HDTV and none of it was digital. (They were all CRT based televisions too)

I mean even digital cable isn't digital.

ah. i finally see what you mean. i dont want a HDTV anymore i want those ten thousand dollar holographic screens that are not affected by glare and are super high resolution.

i wonder what will come after digital?




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Posted by im.thatoneguy on Sat Jul 30th at 9:18am 2005

Shoot, someone who posted in another forum was right.. I am on a real negative streak... but not to break it.

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And current HDTV that is broadcasted through the airwaves is NOT a digital signal.

HDTV is completely digital signal. Japan implemented an analog HDTV standard int he eighties which still slightly exists but other than that all HDTV is digital.

What the new standard requires is that the signal be broadcast as a digital signal. I watch all of my over the air TV from Digital signals. The signals are then decoded inside of a box and then given the option of a pure Digital (DVI) transport or reduced to analog (component) for transport between the receiver and the TV. Many new TVs have skipped the middle man and can receieve digital signals with no middle man.

Digital Cable is delivered the same way, it is downloaded as a digital stream into a receiver but then can be outputted as digital content in the form of Optical sound and DVI or HDMI connection or else as an analog representation.

What the Government is saying now is that the signal has to be digital, not the delivery, so your old TV can still view Digital signals you would just need a converter.

DTV (The new requirement) can be in 480p up to 1080p resolutions. Inorder to be a true HD Tv it has to at least display 720p although some Plasma Screens don't pull off 1080i so be wary of "native resolutions" when buying an HDTV.

Some of the best TVs on the market are still displaying an "analog" signal as in a rear projection CRT. So just because a monitor is digital from start to finish, such as a plasma, doesn't mean it's higher quality than an 'analog' display. I emphasize YOU WON'T be getting an inferior picture just because you used an analog component connection between your digital sattelite dish and your TV, so long as you buy a high quality cable. (Best option would be a Gold connection/gold cable, however seeing as that is prohibitively expensive for most, a Gold -> Silver -> Gold is still a damn nice cable with no interference and relatively inexpensive.

Any TV that can display 1080i even if recieves its hd signal from a hamster wheel is still an HDTV. Digital is not mandatory to the display specs only the transmission specs. Your RGB CRT is just as much an HD display as your DVI LCD. The best HD reference monitors in the world are CRTs, receiving a 6 cable component signal. (ANALOG). Digital *can* improve signal since there is no conversion but it isn't mandatory, and often is only for getting the signal to the circuit board where a CRT will then have to convert it to an analog signal no matter what cable you plug into it.





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Posted by Crono on Sun Jul 31st at 12:40am 2005

I was speaking of pure digital signal, airwave, broadcast, whatever you want to call it. I also wasn't talking about quality, but, I digress: You 'backed up' what I was saying.

This is one of those things that gets nitpicked at what you say, since there are far too many terms that mean the different things in this damn industry.

Bleh.


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Posted by im.thatoneguy on Sun Jul 31st at 6:08am 2005

Technically there is no such thing as a purely digital signal, and straight up, digital sucks, it's a horrible transmission system, digital computers only have a couple of decades left in them. If you want to get really technical, there is no such thing as a digital signal in practical use in the world. Your CPU is really an analog processor and all electronic devices have some form of CPU in them. So what you're saying may not be inherently wrong, but it is incredibly misleading.

So yes Technically HDTV isn't digital, but technically digital isn't digital, it's just a matter of where you draw the cutoff line in arbitrary... As soon as the "digital" (technically modulated analog" signal becomes processed it's firmly in the realm of analog, so if that happens before or after a (preferably short as possible) analog cable or after, really is beside the point. If you plug say a DVI cable into a CRT, the signal will be converted to an analog signal before being displayed, but the benefit is the length of copper is shorter.





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Posted by rival on Sun Jul 31st at 6:30am 2005

? quoting im.thatoneguy
digital computers only have a couple of decades left in them. .

i wonder what is next: quantum computers? organic computers?




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