Madedog, I like you, so i am gonna tell you what will happen so you will be expecting it.

First of all let me preface by saying that I KNOW you will think, "I won't do that, she won't do that..." but it will happen as sure as the sun will rise.

keep in mind that this is only IF she decides she likes you enough to have a relationship.

1. You and she will start a relationship in which you will chat on MSN. you will spend all your time sending eloquently phrased declarations of eternal love along with some occasional sexual references that you make her think are jokes, but they're really not.
2. You will be so sweet and the exact opposite of the guy she was last with that she will become infatuated with you. she will tell you that she loves you and you will tell her.
3. you will get that "special feeling in your heart." you know the one. Blah blah blah.
4. You will eventually stupidly open your mouth on the subject of marriage.
   
   at this point let's have a momentary interlude to discuss the implications of what you've just done. there are a few possibilities from this point. and any of these paths lead straight to the destruction of,
   a. your relationship
   b. your trust for ANY women
   c. your cache of pictures to wank off to, because once you're broken up, that's just weird.
   
5. IF she is a more mentally mature 13-year-old, she will immediately begin to feel as though she's "being tied down to only one guy for threst of her life". after this she will tell you that "Its not you, it's her" and "she just needs some space." and "she needs Some time to think things through"
6. If she is of normal 13-year-old intelligence she will go along with it and decide that you are her perfect guy that she wants to marry. you will talk about kids you wanna have and thier names. You will call her and waste your parent's and YOUR money. You will close yourself off from opportunities to date other girls who are more your type/age. You and her will go on like this for at least a month, completely oblivious to the detrimental facts that:
   a. she's a 13-year-old, and those don't get married. It's at 12 YEARS until she is 25 which is prime marrying age (maybe even too early then)
   b. it's FIVE years until she is 18 and legal to have sex with (at least in USA) and no relationship survives 5 years without sex. (That's why Christians don't date that long, and they can't wait to get married!)
7. She will break up with you.
8. you will get really pissed off and hope bad stuff happens to her.
9. She will realize that since she was in love for a little while she got skinnier and more attractive. other guys notice too and within a week, she will be hanging on some dude that is WAY uglier than you.
10. You will stay single for a long time, because you will hate women by now. Thus, you will look like a loser and she will look like some sort of hottie that can have any other guy she wants.

remember, when all this comes to pass, you heard it here first!

also, remember: "Living well is the best revenge"

I agree with the makeup part. It's bad when you look at a girl who isn't wearing makeup and you never actually knew she looked like that. There's so much makeup that you didn't even know her REAL face. Although, lots of times the girl looks like she's sick without it.

I'm also a Christian, and that's how I know that Christians fall into the scenario i explained above more than others. because they wnt to have casual sex with the person, no marry them, BUT you can't do that as a Christian, so you hope that they're the right one and rush into marriage.

Morals are important in a girl, who wants to go down on your blushing bride on your honeymoon whilst thinking about the 10 guys you know she's slept with. I'd barf all over her vagina.

I think you guys also need to remember Madedog is in Estonia. I'm surely not going to propose I know how society functions over there. In fact, I dare you to even point to the place on an unmarked globe.

The things I see:

1. Madedog is nuts over this girl. Good for you, but I think it would be best if you held off on a few of the "this is the awesomest girl in the world posts." At best, they're boring to read.

2. They're four years in age apart. Both of my grandfathers are (were) four years older than the respective grandmothers, and I know countless others with around this age difference. In the long run, it's a fine difference in age. It'd be creepy if someone *my* age (22) was confessing intense feelings for a 13 year old.

3. They're in ESTONIA. I once again mention that we really shouldn't judge this by American social norms - especially in terms of the "what age is a good age to get married at" business.

Frankly, though this is my first post on the particulars of this relationship, I'm tired of talking about it.

Mephs, I think you're straying into the "Too Much Info" side of this thread.

It's true though, the last GF i had was in high school while i was in college. It didn't work out. In fact it went sorta like the scenario i played out a few posts ago. I haven't had another GF since then and I'm extremely happy about it. I have TONS more money, now. Money to spend on MEEEEEEEEEE!

the world of college and the world of high school are so different, it doesnt matter if you're the same age or not. it just doesn't work witohut devine intervention.