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Posted by keved on Thu Sep 8th at 10:41am 2005

? quoting Dark Tree
The heart of the message wasn't meant to be hurtful, but helpful
Fair enough mate, sorry. <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif"> I guess it didn't help, though, that your first words were "I'm sick and f**king tired" when responding to people here who have been around the HL scene for years and may have the credentials to back up their reasoning.

? quoting Dark Tree
Yes I know. The engine can create some unparalleled beauty, but, if the task seems too high at first, I would just want ppl to take it one step at a time (instead of saying it's too hard and quitting.)
Absolutely, but this is the problem that people highlighted earlier and you seemed to disagree with; the much increased length of time it now takes to create quality levels is putting off beginners from making any progress from their initial efforts.

? quoting Dark Tree
Believe it or not, some people actually enjoy low budget movies just as much as the multi-million dollar hollywood productions...
Sure, I'm not a big fan of multi-million dollar productions myself, though low budget movie productions can be of the quality of Taxi Driver etc etc! Low budget productions in movies can still very much feature talented and dedicated people.
There isn't a "low budget" comparison for level creating, though. Levels are low quality because the author either doesn't have the ability or can't be bothered putting the effort in to strive for more quality.That some people enjoy playing levels like dm_killbox is entirely due to Valve's game mechanics being fun to use (as Garry's mod shows), not anything to do with the level itself.




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Posted by Agent Smith on Thu Sep 8th at 11:23am 2005

Back for a moment

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As for the quality of the forums lately ... I'm going to have to agree. But, honestly, if you want to make it better around here, especially in the mapping department, get creative.


I'd be happy to kick-start the review system again here at the Snarkpit, if I could make some changes to the review setup. Primarily get rid of custom reviews and restrict them to a certain few members who know what they are talking about.

That way we could work to rebuild the SnarkPits long lost reputation of being a place to get great reviews. Also it would encourage some of the better mappers in other communities to frequent here as well, re-establishing the core group of experienced mappers who can offer advice. Map reviews are something I really miss about the SnarkPit, and its something that drew me here initially. It's also something that seems to be missing from the community in general.

I can garuntee it would also draw back some of the old members who aren't here at the moment, particularly if we can work to establish some kind of respect system like in the old days. It's the attitude of many new members that drove away the regulars. I know some might consider it elitest, but we need to maintain some level of quality in members if we want to keep the Pit running.

Anyway, thats my two cents. I'd be happy to set up something like this again, if Lep and the admins are willing to give me some leeway how I run it. Nothing offensive though, no Simon Cowell type commentary .


EDIT: This would also allow for mappers to gain reasonably impartial and accurate commentary, which does not always happen when maps are posted on forums.



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Posted by Captain P on Thu Sep 8th at 12:06pm 2005

I agree: a level of 'elitism' needs to be maintained in order to stay the quality site Snarkpit once was. This is a great concept: reviews, map show-offs, community talk with other mappers to share insight and all that... I don't see that around a lot.

A resctricted review system sounds good. There's still quite some mappers who know their trade but aren't actively mapping anymore, so perhaps some of them will still enjoy giving some reviews... <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">

And yeah, mappers attract mappers so some activity here will definitely pull some people over, methinks.



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Posted by Dr Brasso on Thu Sep 8th at 12:41pm 2005

smitty, i think thats a helluvan idea.....orph tried it, with shackles, and made it work well,,,,,,but beware, ye shall be bestowed with furious anger... <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_lol.gif">

DT, peace. i think all the points that needed to be made have been made, so use the info at yer discretion. this is my favorie sight still, even if i dont have the time i'd like to spend.....

in the words of bob dylan, "the times they are a' changin'... "

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Posted by Agent Smith on Thu Sep 8th at 1:42pm 2005

I know what you mean Doc <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif">, Orph actually talked to me about doing some reviews at one point, but I didn't have time to spare. I still don't have time to spare, but if people are willing to give it a go, maybe if some of the oldies lend a hand, I'm sure that I could make the time. Particularly if its to restore at least some of the Pit's former glory.



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Posted by Captain P on Thu Sep 8th at 2:15pm 2005

Mhh, maybe I could do some, though I don't know if you guys would classify me for it.
Anyway, I'm in for some action. Yeah, most of my time goes to school but I still have some left...



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Posted by BlisTer on Thu Sep 8th at 3:32pm 2005

i think you guys hit the nail on the head. If that would be put into action that would be great.

mappers are far more motivated when they know ppl will actually have a look at their creation, let alone review it.

It's an upward spiral really, the more quality maps that get showed, the more other mappers that are willing to be part of that, or do better. positive competition and rivalery. (that shot of surface tension had me itching)

The downside with restricting reviewers is that, if they havent got time, no reviews get done. Capt. P, imo you would do great reviews.

about the newer members: it saddens me that the old members get driven off by the newer. its like fleeing from a place that you helped being great. Though i know it takes a certain personality to stand ground and defend it. IMO lamers were always pooring in, there just seem to be fewer strong personalities nowadays to show them how to behave.




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Posted by Pvt.Scythe on Thu Sep 8th at 6:50pm 2005

WE WANT ORPH! WE WANT ORPH! WE WANT ORPH!


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Posted by Nickelplate on Thu Sep 8th at 10:28pm 2005

? quoting Agent Smith

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sorry guys, but i can no longer take it. the attitude is killing me....i guess you had to be around for the "glory days" of hl mapping to understand. its been fun while it lasted....good luck all, and give em hell.....peace.


I'll be taking the cue from some of the other longtime members of this site by taking a break from the SnarkPit's once hallowed halls. Hopefully the situation will improve. Adios Amigo's.

God Damnit...

Keved, Sir, That screenshot that you linked to is all PROPS and some water.

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Posted by French Toast on Fri Sep 9th at 12:15am 2005

Ho hum, methinks I'd be interested in getting back into mapping a bit...

I think the idea of someone whose opinion I trust (e.g. vets of the pit) and not some yahoo who I have no idea who he is would make me more seriously consider any suggetsions, or critisism they offer.

My biggest problem is coming up with a neat idea, and then actually making it look like my idea. If I really plan it out I may be able to do something...






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Posted by Nickelplate on Fri Sep 9th at 12:53am 2005

Well, Toast. Look at the textures, and try to think of something really unexpected you can mke with it. I made a bunch of textures that blend wood and bricks and stone and tiles and rocks and then made a weird patchwork landscape. that sort of thing is just for fun, but it's good practice.


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Posted by Fjorn on Fri Sep 9th at 11:27am 2005

I cry tears at the loss of Orph and AS and others...


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Posted by Underdog on Sat Sep 10th at 8:58pm 2005

As to the topic. When I first arrived, months before I posted, the first thing I did was dig through every topic that peaked my interest. The one thing i noticed above all else was, even if you guys disliked someone, you still took the time and energy necessary to assist them. That alone was my deciding factor for initially posting the first time.

I may not have posted here, but that by no means signifies my lack of posting elsewhere and for the most part, Snarkpit is leagues above your average internet site. My respect mounts daily for the members whom remain.

As for my thoughts, Orpheus falls into the category where you must eventually respect him. You may or may not give him much, but eventually you will. There are many personalities here. Some aggressive, some abrasive. Some considerate, and some down right abusive but most are a combination of all these types and thereby produce an atmosphere of comradre'.

I will not miss him, not because of his personality, but because of my timing. I was just not here in time to have an opinion of him.

I do however respect his contributions. You cannot begrudge those.




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