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Re: I have a good idea and no-one cares
Posted by rs6 on Wed Aug 31st at 3:33am 2005
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...erections would ALWAYS last more than 4 hours, so doctors' phones would be ringin' off the hook! (you know, from that commercial on TV)...
My bio teacher told our class why thats a bad thing.....ouch.

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Re: I have a good idea and no-one cares
Posted by Nickelplate on Wed Aug 31st at 3:39am 2005
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...erections would ALWAYS last more than 4 hours, so doctors' phones would be ringin' off the hook! (you know, from that commercial on TV)...
My bio teacher told our class why thats a bad thing.....ouch.
I never really did find out WHY. care to tell? don't spare technical Jargon, I know the names of stuff, corpora cavernosa, corpora spongiosum, all that other s**te, but seriously, WHY?

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Re: I have a good idea and no-one cares
Posted by rs6 on Wed Aug 31st at 3:46am 2005
There is a valve like thing that close when you get aroused to let blood in but not out to an extend giving you an erection. The blood doesn't circulate well, so most of the same blood stays in, and eventually, tissue could starts dieing, and well.....you won't have much left. Thats what he told our class of all guys, don't know if its true though, satchmo may know, he's a doctor.

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Re: I have a good idea and no-one cares
Posted by Nickelplate on Wed Aug 31st at 3:55am 2005
That sounds about right. All the blood thats in there dosent get enough oxygen and causes necrosis. THEN DRY GANGRENE!!! then they have to amputate!

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Re: I have a good idea and no-one cares
Posted by Tracer Bullet on Wed Aug 31st at 4:30am 2005
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Tracer, the daily diet being 2,000 Calories would make your energy consumption around 8,368.2 kJ
Your body needs on average 8368 kJ of energy each day (2000 calorie diet).


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Re: I have a good idea and no-one cares
Posted by Crono on Wed Aug 31st at 4:48am 2005
Whoops! I missed the k. I must have jumped to your usage of the lower case 'c'. Sorry
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Re: I have a good idea and no-one cares
Posted by Crapceeper on Wed Aug 31st at 9:56am 2005
About that blood circulation: I think there still is a slight circulation. If there wasn't your penis would feel numb soon and would tickle after a while or latest when the erection disappears. A buddy of mine told me he got an erection that lastet about a whole day once. Probably not a constant one, but still whicked.
I don't think that low oxygen transport would be the real problem here but damaging the blood vessels. Consider all the small arterys are under pressure - how long do they stand it?
But I have no real expierences with this. So I say, as well, satchmo knows more, probably.

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Re: I have a good idea and no-one cares
Posted by MisterBister on Wed Aug 31st at 4:02pm 2005
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On a related note though, a friend of mine was telling me
about a paper he read, through a news article, I think, about some
experiments done in the 60s regarding digestion in relation to
lifespan. This scientist used mice, he completely controlled their diet
and only fed them the absolute essentials that their bodies needed. Of
course changing whatever the nutrient was and tailoring each "meal"
specifically for what they needed then and there. Basically, it
prolonged their lives and the mice lived for a little over 20 years.
They think it was because the body wasn't doing the constant work of
digestion. Apparently the scientist tried it on himself as well and
said the worst thing was, for the first year he was hungry all the time
... he didn't actually need food, his body had all the nutrients it
needed, he was healthy and everything. It's actually very similar to
what certain sections of the army do. They give specific rations based
on your detail (at least the friend I talked to who was part of this)
what eventually happened is they burned off all of what they ate. So,
they basically stopped going number 2. There was no waste besides urine
(Because you always drink more water then you need to stay hydrated)
I'm done now.
Wow...

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Re: I have a good idea and no-one cares
Posted by satchmo on Wed Aug 31st at 4:45pm 2005
I don't think everyone has a firm grasp of molecular biology here.
A foreign chromosome would never be accepted, even if it's from another mammal. How is mitosis going to occur with an odd chromosome.
But even if someone can introduce a single gene, how do you get that gene expressed? How are you going to control the myriad transcription enzymes in the nucleus? We don't even know how to control the genes we already have, much less a foreign gene.

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Re: I have a good idea and no-one cares
Posted by Nickelplate on Wed Aug 31st at 4:52pm 2005
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I don't think everyone has a firm grasp of molecular biology here.
A foreign chromosome would never be accepted, even if it's from another mammal. How is mitosis going to occur with an odd chromosome.
But even if someone can introduce a single gene, how do you get that gene expressed? How are you going to control the myriad transcription enzymes in the nucleus? We don't even know how to control the genes we already have, much less a foreign gene.
we were all just going on the assumption that it was gonna work...

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Re: I have a good idea and no-one cares
Posted by WarloK on Wed Aug 31st at 5:16pm 2005
Satchmo, if you could put the chromosome into a sperm cell and egg would that work?

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Re: I have a good idea and no-one cares
Posted by rival on Wed Aug 31st at 5:43pm 2005
placing a foreign chromosome in the sperm or the egg would be just the same as placing it in an embryo, i assume, since you are putting them into cells either way.
i believe that nanotechnology (the manipulation of matter on an atomic scale) would solve most of our unanswered questions including genetics.

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Re: I have a good idea and no-one cares
Posted by pepper on Wed Aug 31st at 6:06pm 2005
You would need to remove a chromosome, since the human body go's with 42 x and y chromosomes. You would probably create a freaky creature if it would work.

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Re: I have a good idea and no-one cares
Posted by French Toast on Wed Aug 31st at 6:33pm 2005
So, who here is posting in this thread without the slightest clue of what they're saying to try and sound intelligent?
/looks around...

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Re: I have a good idea and no-one cares
Posted by Crono on Wed Aug 31st at 6:34pm 2005
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Satchmo, if you could put the chromosome into a sperm cell and egg would that work?
No. It wont work, period.
It's the same reason why you can't have two animals from completely different species procreate. It's also the same thing as your body only accepting certain blood types. (as far as I know, but I don't even remember/know how it all works)
You're talking about taking something that would be less efficient then the body we already have. If you want your body to be ran by pure energy so badly, or more specifically the sun, it'd be more likely that you could take your brain out and place it in machinery that will send and receive electrical signals, which could be solar powered. Which, of course, sounds retarded.
Take biology and you'll at least have an inclination of why you can't do what you're talking about.
Speaking of cells though. I read an article some time ago saying they (yes, them) found a way to regenerate cells, since the process is the same for whatever cell. Basically it stops the cell from replication (just yet) and regenerates it instead. They went through 5 cycles or something like that before they let it split and die. They're thinking that the process of aging is just the number of replications all the cells in your body can do. The really odd thing is though, they reported that when rejuvenating the cells, they were "perfect", or rather, completely healthy as if there were no sign that it wasn't a newly created cell.
I just thought that was cool. Some of the Genome stuff is pretty cool too. They actually used it to cure a woman's eye cancer (it was a tumor around the optic nerve).
Apparently the only problem is that we can't physically go through the entire code, since it's too long. That's probably the only reason why we don't know much yet.

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Re: I have a good idea and no-one cares
Posted by Cash Car Star on Wed Aug 31st at 6:59pm 2005
If I were on here more, I would have jumped on the "That would never work and here's scientifically why" bandwagon. Since I'm late to the party, I'll simply state that genes that work together are rarely confined to a single chromosome. With such an expansive process like photsynthesis, I'd say there are genes crucial to photosynthesis, and balancing its role in the organism itself, all over any given plant's genome. It's kind of like saying "why don't we add the genes to give trees a neural network?"

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Re: I have a good idea and no-one cares
Posted by Tracer Bullet on Wed Aug 31st at 7:33pm 2005
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So, who here is posting in this thread without the slightest clue of what they're saying to try and sound intelligent?
/looks around...
That is a reasonable point, but this is still one of the most intesting threads we've had in a while. Thanks Warlock
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Re: I have a good idea and no-one cares
Posted by satchmo on Thu Sep 1st at 12:05am 2005
We have many talents at the SnarkPit, and question like this can actually recruit the knowledge of all of us.

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Re: I have a good idea and no-one cares
Posted by Nickelplate on Thu Sep 1st at 4:04am 2005
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So, who here is posting in this thread without the slightest clue of what they're saying to try and sound intelligent?
/looks around...
Not me. I really am intelligent, + i like arguing and naysaying!

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Re: I have a good idea and no-one cares
Posted by satchmo on Thu Sep 1st at 5:07am 2005
But if you really studied the fundamentals of
photosynthesis
in plants, you would know that we already have something similar to
chloroplasts in our cells. These organelles are called
mitochondria.
They basically function like chloroplasts, except they are more
versatile (in my opinion). They can turn glucose into ATPs, the
basic currency of energy in our body (kinda like Traveller's
Checks). We don't always need light to survive. All we need
is food. And that's a lot easier to come by, in most
circumstances.
Imagine if you're living in Alaska or Sweden, where sunlight becomes a
precious commodity during the long winter. People would starve to
death if they're solely relying on light to generate energy.
If people play Counter-Strike for too long and forget to venture out
into the daylight, they would literally die (yeah, not unlike that
South Korean dude).

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