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Posted by Crono on Mon Sep 5th at 2:12am 2005

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i think he has realized that all politicians in national government positions

are worthless peaces of s**t and care only about themselves


And money. Mostly money.


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Posted by KoRnFlakes on Mon Sep 5th at 7:00am 2005

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? quoting Spartan
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Muahahahahah!!! Thats Karma for yaz'


Your such an asshole, I swear.

It pisses me off that the entire world was bashing America for not doing enough when the tidal waves hit southern asia, but now that we need some desperate help no one gives a s**t.

agreed. on the radio this morning, they were criticizing the government for not having all the sewage and wreckage cleaned up like 3 days after it happened.

Pepper. We're too busy doing all this overseas s**t. We SHOULD have a plan, but your tone is all wrong. "You are all up in another country's grill and now it's your fault that a hurricane hit." that's what it sounds like to me. and YES we need financial help, have you seen the value of the dollar lately?

Anyway, lots of brits were against our "war on terrorism" but then when they got hit, it was a new perspective for them, maybe holland just needs a wake-up call.



It was most likely caused by the invasion itself. people over here didnt react to it the same way that the americans did. I really dont know anyone that has ever supported the "war on terrorism"



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Posted by Nickelplate on Mon Sep 5th at 7:21am 2005

I don't know anyone who wholeheartedly supported it either, Kornflakes.

BTW, "schadenfreude" is a psychology term that means that you are subconsciously happy when something bad happens to a certain group of ppl because of any number of reasons, but usually you resent the fact that they have it better than you. Like a poor black guy saying "He deserved it" when he reads about some rich white guy who went bankrupt.

T.W.A.T. - The War Against Terror




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Posted by keved on Mon Sep 5th at 8:13am 2005

? quoting Crono
keved, wood is cheaper and MUCH more adaptable. Say 30 years down the line the owner wants to remodel, that's a little harder to do if you did something like a concrete structure (which is fundamentally better then wood, but it's a one time shot)

Also, most places that have bricks on the outside aren't completley made out of bricks ... that's just crazy, that'd take a very long time to build if they were.

Brick/concrete buildings may well cost more in terms of time and money to build, but in prime hurricane territory, when a category 5 hurricane was eventually going to come along, surely it's worth the extra outlay? I'm sure New Orleans residents would rather their homes be still standing than have had the opportunity to more easily remodel their homes. I as understand it many whose wooden homes have been totally destroyed were poor and didn't have sufficient insurance so can't even put in a claim.

It'll be interesting to see how New Orleans is eventually rebuilt anyway. IMO they absolutely shouldn't be using wood again as the primary building material, same applies to other new buildings in other South-Eastern States too.





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Posted by Crono on Mon Sep 5th at 8:20am 2005

How are poor people supposed to pay for a more expensive building material?

On top of that, how are you suppose to sway developers who build what they please using whatever materials they see fit (the cheapest)?

I don't think you're getting the whole picture. It should be obvious at this point that the "best" alternative is almost never used in this society.


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Posted by keved on Mon Sep 5th at 8:59am 2005

? quoting Crono
How are poor people supposed to pay for a more expensive building material?

On top of that, how are you suppose to sway developers who build what they please using whatever materials they see fit (the cheapest)?

Yep I may well not have the whole picture - obviously there will be differences between our two Countries, but...

There are plenty of poor people here in the UK, Crono. The Brit Government has an obligation to house those who can't afford to buy/build their own property and still manages to house its population in something other than wooden houses. Surely the US - the richest Country on the planet and with far more resources available - can do too?

Also, here in the UK all new buildings (and changes to existing buildings) have to pass a series of Planning and Building Regulations before they're allowed to be built. Up until 5 years ago I worked for an Architects Practice producing CAD plans which had to adhere to these required building practices. Failure to do so could mean anything from prison terms to buildings being demolished. Surely there are also standard building practices in the US? In the best interests of not building wooden homes in the paths of hurricanes, if there aren't already regulations to stipulate that residences have to be built with strong building materials, surely there should be?

By no means do I wish this to appear to be an anti-US post or anything, but like I originally said it's always seemed odd to me that the US, with all its power & resources, has a large number of its population in South-Eastern States housed in wooden residences.





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Posted by Crono on Mon Sep 5th at 9:39am 2005

I didn't think you were being anti-US. But the US is set up as a corporation first type deal. Homes only have to meet a building standard set by the government (and pass inspections with utilities and stuff) ... as for governments actually supplying homes, that's few and far in between. The only government housing I've seen is for overtly poverty stricken areas in heavy populated urban areas. In which case the individuals have to qualify. To be honest, the government here tries to get out of paying you as much as possible ... unless you're on welfare, for some reason that's easy to milk, which is sad.

Brasso, I'm sure, could elaborate on US building practices ... maybe it'd make it clearer.

It doesn't matter if it's a better process, or safer, or whatever. It's cheaper. It's another way to make money. It's the same reason why motor companies who import cars actually make them less efficient (Yes, they do. For example, US Honda's have different timing for the fuel injectors as opposed to Japanese Honda's. Not that Honda's are all that efficient in the first place)

Look at it this way: How much money would several builders make from getting contracts to "rebuild" New Orleans?

I'm not sure if this is true or not, but, I heard that in the 1800s (sometime) SanFrancisco completely burnt to the ground (it was still being developed or something) and instead of cleaning up the debris and garbage, they built on top. Which, apparently, is one of the reason "Frisco" is unstable, and it's also on the Californian coast ... and on a fault line ...

But I'm not sure about that, it was just something I heard.


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Posted by Pvt.Scythe on Mon Sep 5th at 10:02am 2005

I was actually quite surprised how badly it all went(the evacuation and the afterworks). For some reason or another I expected something more from such a high risk area... I just can't see how US was caught with its pants down on a situation like this. After all everyone knew it was coming. Even I although I don't live nowhere near there... It just blows my mind away how incabable people are to react when something unusual comes their way...


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Posted by pepper on Mon Sep 5th at 11:10am 2005

? quoting Nickelplate
? quoting pepper

Sorry if i offended you, wasnt meant to be like that.

Its not that im pointing a finger at anyone or bashing america, i m just saying that iam surprised that there isnt some plan. And no, its not your fault that the hurricane hit, im just lucky enough to live in a country that doesnt have any hurricanes nearby. And i really feel sorry for all the people locked up in the city.

Explain the finacial help, america should be able to carry there own economy, they got the resources for it. Obvioulsy you need trade with other country's.

The financial hep thing is just this. We look like we have lots of money, but the problem is that only large corporations have money. the little regular people buy everything on credit. The only ppl with money here are Oil companies. lol. We trade with other countries, too, America sends out a s**tLOAD of money to other countries. Ppl criticize us for not sending enough immediately to aid the tsunami victims, but when we have flooding of our own, it seems that ppl just say "Oh well they look rich enough."

Plus, other ppl have a schadenfreude for america anyway.

Gwil, I meant ARAB terrorism, BTW.

That is where a govenement is supposed to jump in, pay for new houses, draning the land etc. Atleast that is how it works over here, i assume you guys also pay taxes there so that shouldnt be the problem right?




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Posted by Nickelplate on Mon Sep 5th at 9:57pm 2005

Pepper, the problem is that over here, we can't decide what kind of political system we use. The government wants to be capitalist when it suits them and socialist when it suits them. Pretty much everything over here is governed by corporate greed at the expense of little people like the victims of the hurricane.

Oh and on this subject AND the subject of insurance. Everyone's insurance premiums will go way up now in america to help insurance companies pay for all the claims filed down there. You'd think that all the f**kin money we've BEEN paying would cover it but apparently we all gotta pay for stupid ppl who wished to live 38 ft below sea level ONTHE COAST!




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Posted by BlisTer on Mon Sep 5th at 11:15pm 2005

? quoting Nickelplate
You'd think that all the f**kin money we've BEEN paying would cover it but apparently we all gotta pay for stupid ppl who wished to live 38 ft below sea level ONTHE COAST!

answer this question honestly: Imagine you were born there in a family that's been living there for generations. Would you move out of there as soon as you could?

? quoting Nickelplate

Anyway, lots of brits were against our "war on terrorism" but then when they got hit, it was a new perspective for them, maybe holland just needs a wake-up call.

As Gwil says, i hope you're joking. Right now, this sounds like: "anyone who doesnt think like us us should be punished".

Also, war on terrorism is one thing, but it's a whole other thing if it's used as a banter for doing things under another agenda. The truth is that it's almost impossible to fight terrorism as a war. you even risk to to put oil on the fire. information and intelligence systems, that's the way.

Anyway back on topic, you all should watch this video if you havent already. Mike Myers and Kanye West are supposed to do a fund raising show but Kanye West, much respected for his input in hiphop, gets real emotional and says his own speach instead of the one written for him.

It was live. NBC attempted to cut off the out-of-line remarks by cutting to a shot of actor Chris Tucker, but by then, the damage had already been done.

http://rapidshare.de/files/4663690/kanye.avi.html

Scroll down and hit "Free", download should start 30 seconds later

(or if you dont want to wait: http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/files/pleasedonthotlinkthisvideothanks.wmv )

his coproduction with dilated peoples, "worst comes to worst" jumps to mind




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Posted by parakeet on Mon Sep 5th at 11:57pm 2005

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? quoting Crono
How are poor people supposed to pay for a more expensive building material?

On top of that, how are you suppose to sway developers who build what they please using whatever materials they see fit (the cheapest)?

Yep I may well not have the whole picture - obviously there will be differences between our two Countries, but...

There are plenty of poor people here in the UK, Crono. The Brit Government has an obligation to house those who can't afford to buy/build their own property and still manages to house its population in something other than wooden houses. Surely the US - the richest Country on the planet and with far more resources available - can do too?

Also, here in the UK all new buildings (and changes to existing buildings) have to pass a series of Planning and Building Regulations before they're allowed to be built. Up until 5 years ago I worked for an Architects Practice producing CAD plans which had to adhere to these required building practices. Failure to do so could mean anything from prison terms to buildings being demolished. Surely there are also standard building practices in the US? In the best interests of not building wooden homes in the paths of hurricanes, if there aren't already regulations to stipulate that residences have to be built with strong building materials, surely there should be?

By no means do I wish this to appear to be an anti-US post or anything, but like I originally said it's always seemed odd to me that the US, with all its power & resources, has a large number of its population in South-Eastern States housed in wooden residences.



heh , my grandad's house is right on the coast and its made of wood , its survived plenty of hurricanes. the problem with new orleans is that it was flooded a lot



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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Tue Sep 6th at 12:17am 2005

blister that video was amazing




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Posted by jake on Tue Sep 6th at 12:27am 2005

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? quoting Nickelplate

Anyway, lots of brits were against our "war on terrorism" but then when they got hit, it was a new perspective for them, maybe holland just needs a wake-up call.

As Gwil says, i hope you're joking. Right now, this sounds like: "anyone who doesnt think like us us should be punished".



It does, yes.

Nickelplate, We're no strangers to bombing by terrorists; the IRA were planting them in London and elsewhere for years. No new perspective on anything - just a different group of loonies to contend with.



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Posted by Nickelplate on Tue Sep 6th at 12:54am 2005

Yeh, forgot about IRA. It sucks that they just disbanded and then the arab terror ppl decided to start in on it.

Even if my family had lived in New Orleans for hundreds of years, I would still move away when I saw ships going by ABOVE the level of my house and when I found out that the city was 38 ft below sea level and also in the path of numerous hurricanes throughout the years.

Donations are fine, but I can't abide that it is mandated that I pay the insurance companies for this disaster. Now, you can tell me I am thinking only of myself in this, but until you know how much I and my family have donated, reserve your judgement. I urge all to donate what they can, but to MAKE people pay to recover the mismanagement of funds by insurance companies is bulls**t.

I didn't want it to sound like "anyone who doesnt think like us us should be punished" but i was not joking. My point was, sometimes it takes a bad thing to change people's points of view on things. And whether it is IRA or Al-Qaeda, DOEs make a difference. When the IRA bombs something it has nothing to do with the USA's war on terror. People dont get hit by an IRA bomb and say "damn those arabs! Bush was right." up until these latest tube bombings, arab terrorism really hadn't had much to do with the UK. But when Al-qaeda takes credit for the recent bombings, people don't get mad ar IRA, they get mad at Arabs and it changes thier perspective. so, whether or not you've had experience with bombs or not is irrelevant, only whether you've dealt with the type of terrorism that the US is fighting.

And about the Kayne guy: WTF? I didn't know that only black ppl lived in New Orleans. even if there are whites there, they must be just fine! Yeah, black ppl had it bad a long time ago, things are goin' okay now, so get your act together and stop complaining already.




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Posted by jake on Tue Sep 6th at 2:04am 2005

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I didn't want it to sound like "anyone who doesnt think like us us should be punished" but i was not joking. My point was, sometimes it takes a bad thing to change people's points of view on things. And whether it is IRA or Al-Qaeda, DOEs make a difference. When the IRA bombs something it has nothing to do with the USA's war on terror. People dont get hit by an IRA bomb and say "damn those arabs! Bush was right." up until these latest tube bombings, arab terrorism really hadn't had much to do with the UK. But when Al-qaeda takes credit for the recent bombings, people don't get mad ar IRA, they get mad at Arabs and it changes thier perspective. so, whether or not you've had experience with bombs or not is irrelevant, only whether you've dealt with the type of terrorism that the US is fighting.




Pakistanis in London's case, not Arabs.
We're not idiots you know, Nickelplate, do you think we were unaware of the threat? It was always a question of when rather than if - no new perspective - no swelling of the Pro Bush ranks.
How does "the type of terrorism that the US is fighting" differ from that practised by the IRA or any other bunch of murderous lunatics anywhere else on Earth?




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Posted by Nickelplate on Tue Sep 6th at 2:19am 2005

wow, don't get your panties in a wad, mate. I never said you were ALL idiots, just most of you. It's the same thing here in america.

There is no difference in the acts of the terrorism, it's who people want to retaliate at afterwards. That's what the difference is.

I don't think it's a "pro-bush" thing either.




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Posted by jake on Tue Sep 6th at 3:43am 2005

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wow, don't get your panties in a wad, mate. I never said you were ALL idiots, just most of you. It's the same thing here in america.

There is no difference in the acts of the terrorism, it's who people want to retaliate at afterwards. That's what the difference is.

I don't think it's a "pro-bush" thing either.



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I'm not having a go at you, Nickelplate, I don't get what you're driving at that's all. I think we've got our wires crossed somewhere.






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Posted by Nickelplate on Tue Sep 6th at 4:01am 2005

I think that's what happened. Crossed wires.

I wasn't actually meaning anything derrogatory toward anyone. All I was saying is that the news showed (mind you it's USA news, not real news) that there was much more support for the "war on terror" from Britons after the tube bombings.

I don't know about in the UK, but in america it was said that some large percent of americans thought that Osama Bin Laden was the president of Iraq, and that Taliban was the "arab word for 'nuclear'"

I was just saying that thier attention was turned away from IRA and toward middle eastern stuff after the latest tube bombings.

No hard feelings, eh?




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Posted by pepper on Tue Sep 6th at 6:57am 2005

? quoting Nickelplate

Even if my family had lived in New Orleans for hundreds of years, I would still move away when I saw ships going by ABOVE the level of my house and when I found out that the city was 38 ft below sea level and also in the path of numerous hurricanes throughout the years.

I'd better get moving then, half of the country is below sea-level and sinks slowly.

It just one of those things you learn to live with, i would never be crazy enough to live in tornado ally, still people live down there.




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