Gas Prices Around the world
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Posted by Crono on Sun Sep 4th at 1:24am 2005


It doesn't really matter, they should be investing in alternative fueling methods instead. I don't think drilling Alaska (again), for example, is a good idea.


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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Sun Sep 4th at 2:05am 2005


? quoting Crono
It doesn't really matter, they should be investing in alternative fueling methods instead. I don't think drilling Alaska (again), for example, is a good idea.

The government is only capable of thinking 4-years ahead, if that. That's the reality of politics. You can't expect them to do anything as intelligent as what you suggest, regardless of which party is in control.

The only current viable alternative energy source is nuclear power, and we all know how popular that is!




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Posted by wil5on on Sun Sep 4th at 2:26am 2005


If it was even possible to put a nuclear reactor in a car, it would be dangerous. Still, nuclear power is cheaper per watt and produces less waste per watt than any other commercial method of electricity generation currently in use. All power stations would be nuclear if it wasnt for asshats being scared of it.

The government has little control over the price of a commodity. The only way for a government to control prices like that is through buying and selling of large amounts, or allowing natural deposits such as Alaska to be used. America is not a dictatorship, the government does not control oil prices, and is probably doing everything it can within its power to keep prices low.

I agree with Tracer, as oil prices go up, SUV-driving assholes go down, I can live with that.




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Posted by Windows 98 on Sun Sep 4th at 2:42am 2005


I thought for a while about drilling in Alaska, but then realized it wasn't a good idea. There is more wild life in Alaska then probably the whole US main 48 states. Alaska is all woods, snow (winter time), and open area full of animals. Very little people live there. I think the reason though that drilling there is a bad idea because they would destroy animal habbitats for big drills. Not cool.






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Posted by wil5on on Sun Sep 4th at 3:32am 2005


So the government cant allow drilling there until people care more about gas prices than wildlife.


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Posted by Crono on Sun Sep 4th at 3:36am 2005


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The government is only capable of thinking 4-years ahead, if that. That's the reality of politics. You can't expect them to do anything as intelligent as what you suggest, regardless of which party is in control.
The only current viable alternative energy source is nuclear power, and we all know how popular that is!


Yes, I know. It's rather sad. You'd hope that the goal would be to better your country and make money, rather than an individual's "glory", so to speak. Since, any way you slice it they're still going to get heafty pockets.

However, I think that's in regard, mostly, to specific administrations and not the entire US government. Although, I don't know if you're considering EVERY aspect of our main government, intelligence included.



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Posted by Nickelplate on Sun Sep 4th at 4:32am 2005


  1. For all you bike people who think that EVERYONe can be a bike person. I know I can't. In the rural area I live in our roads are dirt and rocks and I drove 25 miles to college and 23 miles to work. It's really not feasible.
  2. Drilling Alaska is a dick thing to do, but it's necessary for now, when this all clears, we need to cap off the wells there again.
  3. people HAVE made all sorts of alternative energy sources, but the "Energy Conglomerates" or GAS COMPANIES buy the idea for a few million and then after they own the rights to it, they hide the Idea and no-one else can do it. the guys who invent it are very happy to get the millions and the gas companies know they will continue to make thier billions.

What I hate the most is that *I* am paying for other people's greed. The gas companies want to make billions so they jack up the price to say, $4 per gallon from $2.50. then after we get that for a while they lower it to $3.50 and most of the american public, being idiots, say, "Wow, what a bargain, it's lowered FIFTY CENTS!!"

Well, I remember when it was fifty cents for a gallon! It all comes down to a few people making decisions that give them more money and they have no regard for any other human beings.

[edit] I heard that Hawaii passed a law that limited gas prices to $2 a gallon can anyone verify this?




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Posted by Windows 98 on Sun Sep 4th at 5:24am 2005


If that's true Hawii has the right idea






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Posted by mazemaster on Sun Sep 4th at 5:43am 2005


Thats a terrible idea... When the gas stations buy the gas for $3.00, and they are mandated by law to sell it for $2.00, they will all close down.





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Posted by Nickelplate on Sun Sep 4th at 5:56am 2005


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Thats a terrible idea... When the gas stations buy the gas for $3.00, and they are mandated by law to sell it for $2.00, they will all close down.

Dude, the gas companies are paying like 5 cents a gallon. otherwise how could they sell it in Venezuela for 12 cents and still make a profit. they're just GOUGING the richer countries




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Posted by Windows 98 on Sun Sep 4th at 6:03am 2005


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Dude, the gas companies are paying like 5 cents a gallon. otherwise how could they sell it in Venezuela for 12 cents and still make a profit. they're just GOUGING the richer countries



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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Sun Sep 4th at 6:22am 2005


? quoting Nickelplate
  1. For all you bike people who think that EVERYONe can be a bike person. I know I can't. In the rural area I live in our roads are dirt and rocks and I drove 25 miles to college and 23 miles to work. It's really not feasible.
  2. Drilling Alaska is a dick thing to do, but it's necessary for now, when this all clears, we need to cap off the wells there again.
  3. people HAVE made all sorts of alternative energy sources, but the "Energy Conglomerates" or GAS COMPANIES buy the idea for a few million and then after they own the rights to it, they hide the Idea and no-one else can do it. the guys who invent it are very happy to get the millions and the gas companies know they will continue to make thier billions.

What I hate the most is that *I* am paying for other people's greed. The gas companies want to make billions so they jack up the price to say, $4 per gallon from $2.50. then after we get that for a while they lower it to $3.50 and most of the american public, being idiots, say, "Wow, what a bargain, it's lowered FIFTY CENTS!!"

Well, I remember when it was fifty cents for a gallon! It all comes down to a few people making decisions that give them more money and they have no regard for any other human beings.

[edit] I heard that Hawaii passed a law that limited gas prices to $2 a gallon can anyone verify this?

1. That too is a lifestyle choice. I have had to pick places to live that are close to work/school so that I can ride my bike. You could do the same. There will always be people who truly need their own vehicle for everyday use, but that is about 1% of the population.

2. True

3. As a physical scientist, I'm here to tell you that that is pure BS, dude. There are no secret alternatives. Energy humans can tap come to earth either as solar radiation, or it is generated by the decay of radioisotopes. Biomass is infeasible, wind is infeasible, hydroelectric is infeasible. all we have is either solar, or nuclear, and I'm sorry to say that solar cells simply aren't good enough.

Finally, there is no price-fixing conspiracy. That's simply ridiculous. Several gasoline refineries were taken out by the storm. supply has gone down, demand remains strong, therefor the price goes up. simple.

Wilson,

I wasn't suggesting we could use nuclear power in cars. However you could use nuclear energy to generate hydrogen, which could power vehicles. And, if done properly, nuclear energy use generates essentially no dangerous wastes.

Also, Hawaii has NOT caped their gas prices. What they have done is to tie them to an index of mainland prices. It still sounds like a bad idea to me, but it isn't nearly as stupid as a cap would be.




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Posted by wil5on on Sun Sep 4th at 6:30am 2005


I dont know whats happening with Venezuela, I've heard them mentioned a few times. I'm assuming they have oil reserves and dont want the US to use them (which would explain the hubbub I guess). They can sell it in Venezuela for 12c/gal because the oil is in Venezuela, hence low transport costs, it costs less to drill because Venezuelans are cheap, and because (I'm assuming) the Venezuelan government refuses to export its oil, reducing effective demand. Most gas stations (STATIONS, not companies) are only slightly over break-even, at least in Australia, I doubt its any different in the US. If this Hawaii thing is true, its nothing short of idiotic. All gas stations will close, unless the government pays the difference, and if they do, theyll run out of money. The big companies like lower oil prices just as much as you do, the less it costs to make the product, the more profit they can make off it. If they could make more money selling it at current prices rather than the prices of 5 or 10 years ago, theyd have been selling it at current prices then.


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Posted by Hugh on Sun Sep 4th at 6:32am 2005


$2.85 a gallon here as of 3 hours ago.


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Posted by wil5on on Sun Sep 4th at 6:41am 2005


(Sorry for posting again so soon, but Tracer posted while I was typing ang Hugh posted after I saw)

Tracer, I didnt know you could produce hydrogen from fission, then again I'm not studying physics past 1st year. Tying to an index, like you said, is not as bad but still can be problematic.




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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Sun Sep 4th at 6:44am 2005


Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the oil business in Venezuela nationally controlled?

Wilson is entirely correct.

You could also think of it this way: if you are a farmer growing corn, well, you can pretty much have all the corn you want essentially for free, but that doesn't mean you are going to give it away at supermarkets!

Venezuela EXPORTS oil, therefore by definition they have a much larger supply than demand within their own country. If they have that much naturally it would only make sense to keep energy cheap for themselves because it gives their country a very nice competitive edge, which I might add, they need!




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Posted by $loth on Sun Sep 4th at 7:43am 2005


3 dollars something a gallon, that's like about 60p a litre (roughly in my head). It's 90p a litre here




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Posted by fishy on Sun Sep 4th at 9:36am 2005


there was a clip on the news last week that told of some wind farms in england that are using their spare capacity (low demand times of day when it's still windy) to make hydrogen. this is being done as part of some partnership project with a car manufacturer. the hydrogen doesn't get used as a fuel in a heat engine, but instead is used in some new type of hydrogen eating batteries.

it all looked very green and interesting.




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Posted by Nickelplate on Sun Sep 4th at 11:25pm 2005


I think Hydrogen is definitely gonna go somewhere. We just need to start using it. If a company were to make a hydrogen engine that would be a perfect fit as a replacement for Ford small-block engines and Chevy small-blocks, It would make MILLIONS. Think of how many vehichles could be CONVERTED to hydrogen instead of having to buy some new car for a whitload. Poor hicks like the people in my area can NEVER afford new cars, but they COULD afford a $1000 hydrogen engine that will save them over $1000 a year in gas costs.


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Posted by French Toast on Sun Sep 4th at 11:35pm 2005


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