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Posted by Crono on Mon Sep 5th at 5:43am 2005

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Well, does this mean that Americans are less mature than the rest of the world?


There are different types of maturity. But, don't think that this line of thinking is absolute. But for the most part: I'll agree.


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Posted by KingNic on Mon Sep 5th at 6:45am 2005

That was a sad story Brasso but it most certainly qualifies for a Darwin award. The guy obviously didn't know how to handle his drink and had never touched it before. This would've happened if it was his 18th birthday, his 21st or his 25th.

My parents started me off drinking when I was bout 14-15 (Can't remember much). All I was given was a bottle of Bacardi Breezer to have with my tea on holiday maybe twice a week. They've gradually built me up over the past few years and I know what to expect with Alcohol. I'd been drinking a fair few times with friends before my 18th and as a result, I knew my limit. On my 18th I went right up to that limit, but didn't go over.

I'm a lightweight (gradually getting better) and if I hadn't been introduced to alcohol gradually then I'd have gone right that limit and may well have ended up with a Darwin award. Raising the drinking age to 21 would do nothing. Americans obviously drink before 21 and the people who get harmed by it are those who stick so religeously to the law.



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Posted by Junkyard God on Mon Sep 5th at 8:27am 2005

thye should not lower the drinking age as they get to drive at an earlier age.

would be dangerous!




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Posted by Fjorn on Mon Sep 5th at 2:26pm 2005

Well, look at it this way honestly


Country A:
There is no minimum drinking age. Youre family raises you, maybe about 10-12 your parents think you can handle a little, give you a small amount for christmas dinner. Later on, you're parents give you little bits here and there, more as you mature and become able to physically handle it, you grow up drinking responsibly.

Country B:
Minimum drinking age is 21. You are raised in a 'YOU WILL NOT DRINK UNTIL YOU ARE 21' household. You turn 21, go on a binge, you're found next morning dead of alcohol poisoning


While B is a bit extreme, its happened.



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Posted by jake on Mon Sep 5th at 2:57pm 2005

As I understand it any individual state could lower the minimum drinking age but only at the expense of losing federal highway funding. This suggests that one of the principal reasons for raising the age limit is to reduce the number of drink-driving fatalities in the 18 - 21 age group. I've just read the following:

"According to research at the Center of Alcohol Studies, at Rutgers University, raising the drinking age to 21 increased drinking-induced fatalities in the 21-24 age group, by about as much as it lowered fatalities for those aged 18-20. The study researchers suggested that a person's amount of drinking experience, not the age of the person drinking, played the most important factor in alcohol fatalities."

If this is true then the sensible course would seem to be to reduce the legal age for drinking to 18 and raise the age at which you can legally drive to 21.





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Posted by French Toast on Mon Sep 5th at 3:07pm 2005

No, don't raise the driving age to 21. That would suck so hard. In Kanata, you can drive at 16 (2 years for me) and I don't want anything to ruin that <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">




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Posted by parakeet on Mon Sep 5th at 3:48pm 2005

i was never taught against over drinking , they just assumed i knew. luckily i learned from my older brother. i dont like alcohol anyways though..

only kinda thing like that i drink is the wine at communion



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Posted by Crono on Mon Sep 5th at 9:21pm 2005

You guys are assuming that everyone who drives also drinks and everyone who drinks also drives, which neither of which are true. I wouldn't want to wait until I was 21 ... before ... to drive just because some douches drank too much. Not to mention, I don't drink ... So, that's kind of the s**t end of the deal, don't you think?

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There are other problems too. A large majority of teenagers here (not saying all, I wasn't like this, neither were any of my friends) are the most irresponsible drivers I've ever seen. Besides some anal-douche who thinks they're hot s**t cause they've got a BMW and cuts you off going about 60. Yeah, way to go, you almost killed us to get to the red light 2 seconds sooner, ass.

I'm sorry. I hate other drivers who're irresponsible, not only does it risk people's lives, needlessly, but it also costs me more money! Since they're in my age range, I get tacked with premiums in the area. I really hate insurance, also ... and the IRS ... what kind of moronic country would have a mandatory taxation system that wasn't part of the government, America, that's who.

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Posted by Nickelplate on Mon Sep 5th at 9:50pm 2005

? quoting Crono
You guys are assuming that everyone who drives also drinks and everyone who drinks also drives, which neither of which are true. I wouldn't want to wait until I was 21 ... before ... to drive just because some douches drank too much. Not to mention, I don't drink ... So, that's kind of the s**t end of the deal, don't you think?

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There are other problems too. A large majority of teenagers here (not saying all, I wasn't like this, neither were any of my friends) are the most irresponsible drivers I've ever seen. Besides some anal-douche who thinks they're hot s**t cause they've got a BMW and cuts you off going about 60. Yeah, way to go, you almost killed us to get to the red light 2 seconds sooner, ass.

I'm sorry. I hate other drivers who're irresponsible, not only does it risk people's lives, needlessly, but it also costs me more money! Since they're in my age range, I get tacked with premiums in the area. I really hate insurance, also ... and the IRS ... what kind of moronic country would have a mandatory taxation system that wasn't part of the government, America, that's who.

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I agree with that, crono. 'Coz I my insurance is $1000 every 6 months, because I am a 20yr-old single male.




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Posted by Madedog on Tue Sep 6th at 12:34pm 2005

In estonia we have everything allowed when you are 18 <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif"> sex without parental consect, drink whatever you want, go wherever you want...

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Posted by $loth on Tue Sep 6th at 3:29pm 2005

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Fatstrings, remember the guy, Pete W. at school that peed his pants at lunch for $3.67. PPL will do ANYTHING to be cool unfortunately...



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Posted by FatStrings on Wed Sep 7th at 1:21am 2005

in the great words of adam sandler
peeing your pants is cool
but neway pete was a jacka**


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Posted by G4MER on Wed Sep 7th at 5:48am 2005

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Personally, I think it's strange that the U.S. government views me as
old and mature enough to fight in a war, but I can't legally have a
beer.


Well My dear friend from a DOD Police Officer(me), I can tell you if you are 18 and in the military you can in fact drink, but only on post/base. Off post/base your subject to the local laws.

I dont think the drinking age should be dropped. Raised maybe but not dropped. And if you think thats bad.. the USA is proposing that at 16 you can get your learners permit to drive, but can not apply for the full license until your 18th birthday. you also can not drive with more than one other teenager in the car unless your parent or legal guardian is in the car with you. break them rules and you loose the license till your 21 and it will come at a hefty 200 dollar price.

to tie the two together, get a DUI and under 21 you loose your ability to drive for 5 years.. and also get a herty fine to pay to renew you license when your time is up.



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Posted by Oski on Thu Sep 8th at 8:38pm 2005

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Here in Sweden, the rules are quite messed up.


I'm 18 and I'm allowed to buy low alcohol beer at the lokal stores awell as go to the pub and buy strong stuff.


However if you want the strong stuff in another place than the pub you
have to buy it at ba "state-controlled company for the sale of wine and
spirits" and im not allowed to enter that place until im 21. How weird
isnt that?


Drinking lots of vodka at the age of 16 is quite common here in Sweden aswell, everyone drinks like mad =P.



BTW, are you americans not "allowed" to have sex before youre 18?

That sounds weird.. Doest anyone follow that "rule"?


Here in Sweden, we have nothing that tells us when its ok or not ok to have sex, just a hint on a proper age, 16.


I dont know what weird part of sweden you live, but where i live its 20 to shop at "systemet".


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Posted by French Toast on Fri Sep 9th at 12:42am 2005

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in the great words of adam sandler


I hate to break it to you, but Adam Sandler sucks. He's
1. Not funny

2. Not a good actor

3. Doesn't say anything intelligent






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Posted by Nickelplate on Fri Sep 9th at 12:46am 2005

? quoting French Toast

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in the great words of adam sandler



I hate to break it to you, but Adam Sandler sucks. He's
1. Not funny

2. Not a good actor

3. Doesn't say anything intelligent


But he IS jewish, you anti-semite!!!




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Posted by FatStrings on Fri Sep 9th at 12:46am 2005

sorry i forgot to add the sarcasm coloring
it wont happen again




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Posted by $loth on Fri Sep 9th at 8:22am 2005

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in the great words of adam sandler


I hate to break it to you, but Adam Sandler sucks. He's
1. Not funny



But this guy is...

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sorry i forgot to add the sarcasm coloring
it wont happen again


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Posted by Cash Car Star on Fri Sep 9th at 6:05pm 2005

Raising the driving age is a poorly thought-through idea. Far too much of our service industry is built on temporary labor from students. Far too much of our country is also to spread out to make public transport / bicycling / walking a decent replacement. You can raise the driving age in a place like Manhattan (and indeed, they have), but it's not gonna work in Generic Connecticut Suburb #1-25.



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Posted by Nickelplate on Sat Sep 10th at 12:20am 2005

I think that if every state's department of transportation started building an interstate and inter-town train system, it would eveolve into something like England's system where every town has a station and the larger towns have the long-haul stations. Like in Missouri. Start with a train from St. Louis to Kansas City and one from those two cities to Springfield. It would get a s**tload of towns in between and eventually they could add more and more stations and the larger towns would hold "interstate stations."


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