? quoting Crono

So ... based on that stand point would you say you don't like a good chunk of people on this forum? Myself included, since I'm an American.

I really don't understand why homeland discrimination isn't looked at the same way as racial discrimination ... it's still a choice that you don't get to initially make.

i odn't know you do i.. hazlenut ^^, try turning the tv on in holland here, u'll see why i have such a 'blurred' vision, all you see is morons

ok now this really intrigues me. when you americans watch movies like "pearl harbour" and "the last castle", do these movies really give you a good feeling, making you all warm inside, about how awesome and heroic it is to be american?

Cause when we watch those it has the opposite effect, it really can ruin a movie when they go overboard with that.

What about Germany? They got so nationalistic that thier old National Anthem is banned and you are not allowed to sing it!

It's not that we don't KNOW we're swamped in propaganda. It's that we enjoy war movies, because they kick ass. People killing other people on the TV is cool, it doesnt matter if it's a viet cong soldier killing an american or an IRA-extremist trying to assassinate someone. We like explosions and bullets and we like one side to win indefinitely to fulfill our paradigm of what a conflict scenario should be. Of course, we are not going to let the OTHER side win because that would be depressing.

If you're not proud to live where you live, where would you be proud to live? Pick a place and move there. AND we dont have flags stamped all over everything. Since outsourcing has brought us cintinually s**tty products from overseas, we like to know where something is made so we can tell whether its gonna be s**tty or not before we buy it. Look for the "Made in the USA" for a good product. (sometimes)

? quoting French Toast

About Americans being really patriotic and all... that'sfine. But if I watch anything with Tom Cruise in it, it makes me gag.

Anyways, it kind of reminds me of part of a George Carlin routine ( I love that guy )

? quote:

Another thing that makes me a bad American, I do'nt get all choked up over flags and little yellow ribbons. (applause) I consider them symbols, and I prefer to leave the symbols to the symbol minded (applause)

Methinks that's hilarious

I like to consider myself "patriotic" if you will, but I don't go overboard. I'm proud to be a Canadian, I really can't think of another place I'd rather live, but I don't want a flag outside my door or anything like that...

yeah, but... Canada...

I dunno about the accent, though. eh?

And why aren't all the mexicans jumping over to YOUR place, if it's so great?

The mexicans are going to canada, they just keep getting caught on the way over.

I'm Australian. I'd rather live here than anywhere else I can think of. But I wouldnt rally behind an Australian flag, just because I like living here. Being a nice place to live isnt an inherent property of this country. I probably wouldnt risk my life to protect my country unless I couldnt leave.