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Posted by Nickelplate on Tue Sep 13th at 5:06am 2005

Danke. If there's one thing I don't know about on computers, It's the Unix/Linux world




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 Re: Firefox XP Tweak
Posted by Crono on Tue Sep 13th at 5:24am 2005

You'd think more people would know about it, since it was originally released in 1971 ... first "universal platform" version was '73.

I like how everyone uses UNIX systems everyday and don't even realise it. There'd be no "Internet" without it.

And unlike the overall opinion that "newer technology is better", UNIX has been accepted as the international standard by the IEEE! (I know that means nothing to you, but it's important)

Also, the only thing Linux and UNIX have in relation really is that Linux is based off of a stripped version of UNIX (MINUX) meaning the base, subsystem, is the same. Pretty much everything else is different. Such as development! Then there's all sorts of other flavors that UNIX has spawned.


Blame it on Microsoft, God does.



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 Re: Firefox XP Tweak
Posted by wil5on on Tue Sep 13th at 7:51am 2005

? quoting Crono
I strongly suggest using another shell. Telnet is terrible, the default is public mode.

Thanks for the suggestion, I'm now accessing the internet by tapping the binary code into a phone line with an old Morse key. I'll never look back.




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Posted by Crono on Tue Sep 13th at 8:03am 2005

Don't be a dick, I was helping you!

When you use telnet anyone can just put in your computer's address and watch what you're doing. This also means that they can monitor what keys you're pressing, thus acting as a key-logger.

Taking that shells are most often used to log into foreign system accounts, this is not good for you.

If you use a Shell, something free like Putty is a good choice.

If you would have actually looked for SSH applications, you'd have seen that Mozilla supports it <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif">


Blame it on Microsoft, God does.



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Posted by wil5on on Tue Sep 13th at 11:04am 2005

Sorry, shouldve used sarcasm colour on both my posts there. Heh.

Then again, what do I care about security? I use IE!




&quot;If you talk at all during this lesson, you have detention. Do you understand?&quot;
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Posted by Crono on Tue Sep 13th at 9:03pm 2005

Then you have my apologies <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">


Blame it on Microsoft, God does.



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 Re: Firefox XP Tweak
Posted by Nickelplate on Wed Sep 14th at 2:39am 2005

the telnet program used to be good, but then they switchd it to DOS-based crap. I use internet explorer and I have never gotten a Virus or adware or spyware. You can use IE if you're prudent enough to know what to click and not.


I tried sniffing coke, but the ice cubes kept getting stuck in my nose.
http://www.dimebowl.com



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Posted by Crono on Wed Sep 14th at 2:47am 2005

Do I really have to explain this again? You don't need to click on anything to get "problem" programs through IE. Especially if you're using ActiveX, vile thing.

I'm not saying, "Don't use these programs", just, at least, be aware of what is possible. Saying, "I've never gotten a virus through IE" is very doubtful.

Not to mention, ad-ware, spy-ware, and virus removal tools don't know all threats that are out and in all actuality most viruses aren't removed properly anyway.

You're never really secure, there's just more precautions you can take. Being aware of dangers is one way. Just don't be as pride filled about your computer usage online with "bad named" programs, that type of thinking will really backfire ... just like in any other situation.


Blame it on Microsoft, God does.



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Posted by Nickelplate on Wed Sep 14th at 4:16am 2005

Dude, seriously. I've just never had any problems. I just don't go to hacking, warez, and pron sites. I use ActiveX, I just have it so it doesn't execute the script until i look at it.

"Do i have to go through this again.." nice.




I tried sniffing coke, but the ice cubes kept getting stuck in my nose.
http://www.dimebowl.com



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Posted by Crono on Wed Sep 14th at 5:19am 2005

I never said the problems would be obvious, or even ones you'd notice, I just said there's a high chance they'd be there. In all likelihood, you have things on your computer, right now, that you did not willingly download.

Also, I know for a fact that just connecting to some of the MSN sites will give you some stuff you wouldn't like to have on your computer. (How do you think the msblast virus spread so quickly?)

It's just something you should be aware of. It happens with all browsers, it's more or less a Windows flaw then an IE one, but IE doesn't help by being integrated.


Blame it on Microsoft, God does.



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Posted by Nickelplate on Wed Sep 14th at 1:46pm 2005

I just used Spybot and AdAware. They found some cookies and an innate problem with windows called "DSO Exploit." But cookies can't really do anything anyway. And I know there are ways that you can get that crap from just about anywhere, in fact I am at a computer installing windows updates for a guy that I bet could get spyware from eating a popsicle. Fixing computers and removing spyware and all that s**t is what I do, I just know how to avoid most of it, you know?


I tried sniffing coke, but the ice cubes kept getting stuck in my nose.
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Posted by Crono on Wed Sep 14th at 3:35pm 2005

Yes, I know. I know limiting the sites you go to can help prevent it.

Actually ... cookies, as far as I know, can store code. Which means it can do almost anything.

But, the thing that makes it vulnerable, really, is that it can download/install programs without you knowing. (which, yes, is more common on sketchy sites, but still exists in many places)

The one thing that makes it the most vulnerable is that it's integrated into the OS, which gives it access that the use User has. Which is the entire reason why it can write stuff to the registry.


Blame it on Microsoft, God does.



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Posted by Nickelplate on Wed Sep 14th at 3:45pm 2005

True that. That's one of the reasons Firefox was so spyware free. I've heard that more people are getting spyware from FF though.


I tried sniffing coke, but the ice cubes kept getting stuck in my nose.
http://www.dimebowl.com



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Posted by Crono on Wed Sep 14th at 3:52pm 2005

Well, I believe those people are going to sites that most people wouldn't and downloading questionable files that are laced with detrimental software.

But there's also a chance those people turned on Active X and automatic downloading ... effectively eliminating the main inherent difference between that and IE.


Blame it on Microsoft, God does.



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Posted by Nickelplate on Wed Sep 14th at 4:49pm 2005

I just figured that spyware makers had gotten wise to the new "spyware-free" browser. If there's a good thing on the net, greedy spywaremakers and spammers will ruin it, that's for sure.


I tried sniffing coke, but the ice cubes kept getting stuck in my nose.
http://www.dimebowl.com



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Posted by Crono on Wed Sep 14th at 7:46pm 2005

Well, yes. But, it's kind of the same deal as Unix and Linux. The reason why they're more secure is that you do not always have root/administrative access. Which is what, basically, Mozilla/Netscape/Firefox have done in the browser buisness. However, you can make IE do this as well, but it effects performance, since you have to turn the security up all the way (which, I believe blocks all images, amongst other things, like cookies)

And that defeats the purpose, yeah?


Blame it on Microsoft, God does.



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Posted by Nickelplate on Thu Sep 15th at 3:50am 2005

Yeah, I see about that root Admin access thing. Today at work one of the lil bastards put spyware in his roaming profile somehow and now every computer he visits gets the "Mirar Search Toolbar with related sites and bargains" and all sorts of rebate s**te...

I think windows is a quick and easy OS solution for those that don't have time for "shells" and "kernels" and s**te like that. And also for those(like me) who are just too lazy to deal with it. Yeah, there's lots of advantages to linux, but MS is TRYING to be more like linux now, so maybe things will get better...




I tried sniffing coke, but the ice cubes kept getting stuck in my nose.
http://www.dimebowl.com



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Posted by Crono on Thu Sep 15th at 4:25am 2005

Not sure how you came to that conclusion.

It's funny though, because the reason programmers/developers/engineers like Linux (besides the ideology and the security precautions I mentioned) is because it is fast. The shell takes little resources and is very useful. No time to use a mouse!

However, I've met some people that take it a little overboard. One of my CS instructors hates the mouse and the shift key, specifically. I think it goes back to the fact that she's a big fan of Vi.

I have a different view, since I also play games.

Oh well. I don't think a lot of people should use Linux, just because of the software support. However, if it had the same software, I'd suggest it, simply because the GUI is just as easy. Not to mention, you can download a billion different interfaces. I like Gnome, personally, it just looks nice. KDE is a beast. There's so many other interfaces though, it's really for whatever interface suits you.

Also, if you're having a problem with something like configuration, it's very easy to find a solution. And new things are always being developed.

But, for the average user, who just wants it to work, it isn't suited right now. However, I believe I've heard of some easier interfaces around and installs. I'd really like to find a x86 Version of OSX. Built on Unix and has a very intuitive interface.


Blame it on Microsoft, God does.



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Posted by Nickelplate on Thu Sep 15th at 4:56am 2005

I think another reason why people are intimidated by Linux is that there are so many iterations. Gnome, KDE, SuSe, Red Hat, Mardrake, Knoppix, Lindows, and many more I don't even know or remember. The average guy wouldnt know WTF to choose, you know? and since most people start out as average guys they pick windows because it's so mainstream and available. Then once they get comfy with MS, they never go to Linux.


I tried sniffing coke, but the ice cubes kept getting stuck in my nose.
http://www.dimebowl.com



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Posted by Crono on Thu Sep 15th at 5:16am 2005

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Gnome and KDE are desktop environments, not suites. SuSE, Red Hat, Mandrake, Slackware, Gentoo, Knoppix are all developers and/or the names of their suites.

Lindows isn't really linux as much as it is a shell OF linux emulated on Windows, however, it does run like Linux and such, just on a Windows File System. The only reason to use Lindows is so DirectX applications still work. But that's really the only thing that the end user would notice. Such as, the entire root access thing works like Linux and not Windows. I do wish that Window's "limited" mode just required Administrator passwords when you did things that needed that type of access. It'd make things so much easier. But there'd be people that would have no idea what that means. I mean, there are people who, by default, use the Administrator user ... which is a bad idea, of course.

Well, the other thing is ... I know there are a lot of people who overpraise Linux, blow it out of proportion and in turn make everyone they know sick of it. Many people already think Macintosh software is garbage (which isn't true, of course), so what else is there? Solaris ... and just flavors of Unix. (Besides Windows, of course) And I'm speaking of currently used operating systems, no one really uses OS/2 anymore, for example.


Blame it on Microsoft, God does.




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