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Posted by satchmo on Mon Sep 12th at 9:58pm 2005

I actually had a dream the other day that I was walking around in a map. I was amazed at the details of the map, and I was wondering "how come the framerates are so high, even with all these prop_physics?"

This is a sure sign that I've played too much games. In fact, I was driving the other day, and I saw these distant apartment buildings. I thought to myself "that 3D skybox could have been done much better, they're not realistic enough." Then I realized that I *am* in the real world, and those *are* real apartment buildings.

Scary huh?




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Posted by ReNo on Mon Sep 12th at 10:05pm 2005

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I can still almost dream games like Tomb Raider. I've got whole walkthroughs in my head.


Haha, likewise <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif"> I remember I read some Tomb Raider level completion times in a high score section of a magazine years ago so set about trying to beat them, and after doing so by pretty significant margins and sending them in, they never got published (probably due to the game being too old or no longer interesting enough) <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/sad.gif"> Was still a good challenge, and satisfying as hell when you shave minutes off by learning a few quicker routes and things.

Satch, I wouldn't worry mate, it's happened to the best of us <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_wink.gif">




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Posted by Crono on Mon Sep 12th at 10:18pm 2005

The first time I played GTA 3, I went out right afterwards and got very paranoid about the status of my locked doors.


Blame it on Microsoft, God does.



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Posted by Captain P on Mon Sep 12th at 10:49pm 2005

Games are just quickly memorable since they're so interactive, I think.

ReNo, at some points you sound just like me. Played TR, mapped for HL, somewhat bored out of the HL2 content, programming games...
You're sure we're not brothers or such?

Just kidding.

EDIT: Those speedgame recordings are insane. Just saw the HL one. Crazy. <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">



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Posted by mazemaster on Mon Sep 12th at 11:45pm 2005

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I actually had a dream the other day that I was walking around in a map. I was amazed at the details of the map, and I was wondering "how come the framerates are so high, even with all these prop_physics?"
This is a sure sign that I've played too much games. In fact, I was driving the other day, and I saw these distant apartment buildings. I thought to myself "that 3D skybox could have been done much better, they're not realistic enough." Then I realized that I *am* in the real world, and those *are* real apartment buildings.
Scary huh?


Thats a good topic for a thread... Mapping/Gaming dreams. I've had a few.


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Posted by satchmo on Tue Sep 13th at 12:00am 2005

No need to start a new thread. We can just allow this one to naturally mutate into another topic.

Hmm, "naturally mutate", is that an oxymoron?




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Posted by Crono on Tue Sep 13th at 12:21am 2005

I think it's called evolution.


Blame it on Microsoft, God does.



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Posted by French Toast on Tue Sep 13th at 3:03am 2005

Hah.

Microsoft Works is the top rated oxymoron, by the way.




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Posted by omegaslayer on Tue Sep 13th at 3:26am 2005

I remember watching HL1 in 45 minutes, this guy that did it skipped entire levels! Mainly "We've got Hostiles", and "Power up" with his trip mine ladder. This guy should be hired by game companys to seek out design/hack errors in maps.



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Posted by satchmo on Tue Sep 13th at 4:11am 2005

It's really a collaborative effort. Some people figured out one trick, and others filled in the gaps.

What I am most amazed about is the manual dexterity of these speedsters. Hopping from one spot to the next with incredible ease. They must have played the game hundreds of times.

Most of the monsters don't even have time to react to him before he disappeared to the next corner.

I just saw the .dem files. I decided to download the demos instead because this file type is much more compact than a full-blown video file. It just makes more sense.

By the way, if anyone is feeling lethargic or bored, they should just load up these speed maps. Watching it is equivalent of drinking some Red Bulls.



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Posted by Cash Car Star on Tue Sep 13th at 6:19am 2005

One definite bulls**t aspect of the SMB3 run... you can't walk across the handtraps in level 8 without at least one of them pulling you in. The only way to rush them like he did is to splice your tape...



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Posted by Crono on Tue Sep 13th at 7:17am 2005

Actually, I've been able to make it across a few times without being "dragged in". On my NES, if you were wondering. Of course it wasn't the first time that play session that those levels were encountered. But, it is possible.

However, that was probably spliced, just taking the fact that the rest of the video is spliced too.


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Posted by Captain P on Tue Sep 13th at 8:02am 2005

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This guy should be hired by game companys to seek out design/hack errors in maps.


No... no perfect maps please... those speeddemo's are a fun aspect of games too, albeit not really intented by the designers, it's still fun.
For multiplayer maps it makes much more sense, though. <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">



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Posted by ReNo on Tue Sep 13th at 9:46am 2005

Yeah, I quite like it when you find some exploit or shortcut that wasn't designed. I don't like ones that are gamestoppingly powerful (my flatmate "destroys" every game he plays basically by finding exploits to gain money or experience or whatever; its almost depressing ), but bits and bobs here and there that make you feel great for finding them

Another magazine, I think it was the PS1's official mag, had a competition to complete the demo of a game called "Moho" in as short a time as possible. Going by the proper route, my mate and I got pretty fast times but not exceptional. We did however find two shortcuts - one that shaved about 10 seconds off your time, the other than cut your time to under 10 seconds You were only allowed one entry each so one of us submitted a good time using the minor shortcut, while the other submitted the insane time. Unfortunately, we never heard back, either because they were discounted or beaten Can't recall now if the winning times were obviously using shortcuts or not. I suppose anybody could have used the insane shortcut and sat at the finish line and effectively picked their final time.

Think I'll look for that game on Ebay sometime actually, I really enjoyed that demo <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">




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Posted by satchmo on Tue Sep 13th at 1:46pm 2005

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I quite like it when you find some exploit or shortcut that wasn't designed


I agree. It's like the gamers outwitting the designers at Valve. It's really quite a feat.

However, as my wife pointed out last night as I showed her the Half-Life speed demo, so much effort and energy could have been devoted to something more useful, as in inventing cold fusion or the cure for cancer. These people must have spent hundreds of hours perfecting their runs, as most of it is virtually flawless.

As I was going through Half-Life with the speed demon, I was intrigued by the fact that he seemed to be able to fall from a tremendous height without losing any health. How's that possible? I didn't see him pulling out a grenade or special weapon to create an explosive force to break the fall or anything.

And for many of the tripmines, he just jumped over them like it's nothing. I tried jumping over some of the exact same tripmines myself, but I didn't find it possible. What's up with that?

It is an adrenaline rush to watch, nevertheless.



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Posted by Captain P on Tue Sep 13th at 2:25pm 2005

Sometimes a little time spend on recreation is good. But hundreds of hours... yes, it could've been used better. Depends on how long it took him though. 100 hours over a two-year span isn't too insane, methinks. But that's probably not the case here.

Anyway, gripping a ladder or falling in water prevents any fall damage. It's amazing how he could grip some of those ladders... must have taken him a lot of tries, I'm sure about that.



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Posted by Andrei on Tue Sep 13th at 2:31pm 2005

Now that i've seen the whole film, I have to say that playing a game the way it wasn't intended to be played is almost equal to using "noclip", IMHO. The canyon scene for instance and the red tripmines near the rocket. Still, some of the moves were quite impressive.




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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Tue Sep 13th at 3:15pm 2005

When he drops down the elevator shaft in Blast Pit he air strafes onto the ladder at the last moment. Pretty sweet. I tried it a couple times and just gibbed.

As for the tripmines Satchmo, are you jumping then crouching in midair?




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Posted by satchmo on Tue Sep 13th at 3:56pm 2005

I guess jumping and crouching could be done, but I have to do it many times before getting the timing just right to not trip off the bomb.

He did it over and over again like licking lollipops.



"The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return." -- Toulouse-Lautre, Moulin Rouge



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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Tue Sep 13th at 4:09pm 2005

Hahah great simile.

Anyway -- in HL1 I usually had no problem jumping over certain tripmines.

There were a couple tricky sections but nothing a hardcore gamer couldn't get over (ie. the guy who did HL done quick).





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