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Re: Upgrading, woo woo!
Posted by Crono on Wed Sep 14th at 1:21am 2005
Posted by Crono on Wed Sep 14th at 1:21am 2005
Yes, to see how far you can push. But for harsh/normal usage ... it's a bad idea. Playing around with it is something else.
We all wonder how much farther our hardware can go! "Will that extra 100 Mhz really up my FPS?"
We all wonder how much farther our hardware can go! "Will that extra 100 Mhz really up my FPS?"
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Posted by NameWithHeld on Wed Sep 14th at 1:32am 2005
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Posted by NameWithHeld on Wed Sep 14th at 1:32am 2005
Ill be upgrading my pc soon, not much mind, but des says that it is pretty decent quality for money
here are the specs
I have to pay for $300 tho...
here are the specs
- AMD Sempron 3000+ Processor
- Gigabyte GA-K8VM800M motherboard.
- 512mb PC400 DDR Ram
- Tsunami ATX Case with 400w power supply
I have to pay for $300 tho...
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Re: Upgrading, woo woo!
Posted by ishbog on Wed Sep 14th at 4:04am 2005
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Posted by ishbog on Wed Sep 14th at 4:04am 2005
/threadjack block!
sempron is generally for mobile or servers, or home users, no? lower end?
what about that GEIL ram?
now its GEIL or CORSAIR. vote? do something?
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Posted by Crono on Wed Sep 14th at 5:14am 2005
Posted by Crono on Wed Sep 14th at 5:14am 2005
No, Semprons can be used to replace Athlon XP. In fact, you really can't find XPs anymore, they're being phased out. Most XP boards support Sempron anyway. (Same socket)
I still say get cheaper ram, but if you insist on choosing between those two companies (not sure why you chose them, just because some people told you they were good?) choose the one that costs less.
Perhaps, you figure I don't know what I'm talking about or I'm being annoying by giving advise?
I still say get cheaper ram, but if you insist on choosing between those two companies (not sure why you chose them, just because some people told you they were good?) choose the one that costs less.
Perhaps, you figure I don't know what I'm talking about or I'm being annoying by giving advise?
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Posted by Jinx on Wed Sep 14th at 3:15pm 2005
Posted by Jinx on Wed Sep 14th at 3:15pm 2005
The Geil 1GB Dual-Channel got very good reviews, I would go with that. Has heat spreaders, too. Corsair Value Select is -budget- Corsair, so it's not like you are buying premium ram there anyway. TBH I have seen a bit of it coming back, too, defective :/
That boad has FOUR slots. I would get the 1GB Dual-Channel (512x2), since you'll still have two slots left to upgrade later on. Dual-Channel isn't much use gaming-wise atm, but that may change. Later on, you could get a 1GB or 2GB Dual-Channel kit to get up to 2 or 3 GB, so there's plenty of room to upgrade and still maintain a dual-channel setup. 2GB, tbh, is the most I see anyone practically needing in the near future. Also, Crono suggested that dual-channel limited you to two of the 4 slots. That simply isn't true. A board like this with four sockets can support two matched pairs of dual-channel dimms; you can buy one pair now, then get another pair later on.
6800GT is an amazing card, it cuts through any game out there now like it's nothing. If you can get a good price on the 7800GT, though, it might be worth it. The Ultra/GTX cards are pointless price/performance wise.
SLI is a waste of money. Much better off just upgrading your single video card more frequently. That way you also have cards with newer architecture. For example, just a few months ago people were spending over $1000+ on two 6800Ultras... which is a useless amount of horsepower since no game uses that... and now the 7800GTX is out for $600, and almost as good as the dual 6800's. SLI is for suckers. btw, the 7800 & 6800 cards all have 256 normally. A couple companies made 512mb versions, but the reviews on them were horrible and they cost way too much.
Get at least a 450watt power supply for this, and a decent brand like Antec, too. As someone else mentioned, you may need a 24-pin ATX power connector. Most new PSU's come with 24, but be sure. There 20-24pin adapters, which supposedly work okay, but I would only go that route if you are forced to reuse your current psu.
BFG video cards are slightly overclocked. But if you look at them, their cooling setup is a hell of a lot better than other brands. My EVGA 6800GT's cooling was horrible, no copper and a crappy little fan that was noisy as hell. I put an Arctic Cooling vga cooler on it, and not only was it quieter, it also ran about 8 degrees cooler lol.
Although based off the AthlonXP, not all newer Semprons are Socket A. Many of 754, and 939 versions will probably be out any time. So don't -assume- that any Sempron will work in any AthlonXP board. Most out now are actually 754's. The 754's also incorporate HyperTransport and some features of the Athlon64's, so the architecture of those chips may be changing quite a bit from the AthlonXP's at this point.
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That boad has FOUR slots. I would get the 1GB Dual-Channel (512x2), since you'll still have two slots left to upgrade later on. Dual-Channel isn't much use gaming-wise atm, but that may change. Later on, you could get a 1GB or 2GB Dual-Channel kit to get up to 2 or 3 GB, so there's plenty of room to upgrade and still maintain a dual-channel setup. 2GB, tbh, is the most I see anyone practically needing in the near future. Also, Crono suggested that dual-channel limited you to two of the 4 slots. That simply isn't true. A board like this with four sockets can support two matched pairs of dual-channel dimms; you can buy one pair now, then get another pair later on.
6800GT is an amazing card, it cuts through any game out there now like it's nothing. If you can get a good price on the 7800GT, though, it might be worth it. The Ultra/GTX cards are pointless price/performance wise.
SLI is a waste of money. Much better off just upgrading your single video card more frequently. That way you also have cards with newer architecture. For example, just a few months ago people were spending over $1000+ on two 6800Ultras... which is a useless amount of horsepower since no game uses that... and now the 7800GTX is out for $600, and almost as good as the dual 6800's. SLI is for suckers. btw, the 7800 & 6800 cards all have 256 normally. A couple companies made 512mb versions, but the reviews on them were horrible and they cost way too much.
Get at least a 450watt power supply for this, and a decent brand like Antec, too. As someone else mentioned, you may need a 24-pin ATX power connector. Most new PSU's come with 24, but be sure. There 20-24pin adapters, which supposedly work okay, but I would only go that route if you are forced to reuse your current psu.
BFG video cards are slightly overclocked. But if you look at them, their cooling setup is a hell of a lot better than other brands. My EVGA 6800GT's cooling was horrible, no copper and a crappy little fan that was noisy as hell. I put an Arctic Cooling vga cooler on it, and not only was it quieter, it also ran about 8 degrees cooler lol.
Although based off the AthlonXP, not all newer Semprons are Socket A. Many of 754, and 939 versions will probably be out any time. So don't -assume- that any Sempron will work in any AthlonXP board. Most out now are actually 754's. The 754's also incorporate HyperTransport and some features of the Athlon64's, so the architecture of those chips may be changing quite a bit from the AthlonXP's at this point.
Chrono, I just corrected you on three different things so mayby he shouldn't be listening too closely to you?
Re: Upgrading, woo woo!
Posted by Crono on Wed Sep 14th at 3:47pm 2005
Posted by Crono on Wed Sep 14th at 3:47pm 2005
No, actually, that board only has two Duel channel slots. At least that's how it's explained in it's documentation. Which is the only reason why I said that. I by no means think that's a standard or something like that.
There are 6800s that have up to 512Mb of ram: woopdy do. He gave an option between two video cards, so I gave a recommendation upon that taking that either isn't exuberantly priced. And I believe the one advantage I gave the 7800 was the newer abilities and not the speed.
I also never said "all semprons were Socket A", but it's very easy to get a Socket A version. Of course a different socket wouldn't work.
On a side note, it'd be more ... lucrative ... to have SLi for expansions that aren't a second video card, once they begin coming out. Not now, obviously, but, at some point in the near future.
There are 6800s that have up to 512Mb of ram: woopdy do. He gave an option between two video cards, so I gave a recommendation upon that taking that either isn't exuberantly priced. And I believe the one advantage I gave the 7800 was the newer abilities and not the speed.
I also never said "all semprons were Socket A", but it's very easy to get a Socket A version. Of course a different socket wouldn't work.
On a side note, it'd be more ... lucrative ... to have SLi for expansions that aren't a second video card, once they begin coming out. Not now, obviously, but, at some point in the near future.
Blame it on Microsoft, God does.
Re: Upgrading, woo woo!
Posted by Jinx on Wed Sep 14th at 3:52pm 2005
Posted by Jinx on Wed Sep 14th at 3:52pm 2005
Gotcha. Sorry if I seemed like I was being a dick ![<img src=]()
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afaik, the SLI slots are both PCI-E 16x, which they are only using for video cards? The board should have some PCI-E 1x and/or 4x slots, which are to replace old PCI as generic expansion slots, but a non-SLI PCI-E board would have those, too.
afaik, the SLI slots are both PCI-E 16x, which they are only using for video cards? The board should have some PCI-E 1x and/or 4x slots, which are to replace old PCI as generic expansion slots, but a non-SLI PCI-E board would have those, too.
Re: Upgrading, woo woo!
Posted by Crono on Wed Sep 14th at 4:02pm 2005
Posted by Crono on Wed Sep 14th at 4:02pm 2005
No no. I'm talking about graphical expansions that take the load off for other applications, such as AGIEA's Physics cards. Except those aren't out yet. They said their main interface would be SLI with whatever video card (doubt it'd work with ATi, unless ATi made their cards cater to the SLi ... stuff, I'm not sure if that is an architecture type or not, because it IS a rather large change)
You didn't seem like a dick. You were very polite.
However, ish should check on that duel channel thing ... if I read the board's specs incorrectly, then the board would support as you're saying. However, I've found that almost all documentation is ... misleading in some places. Such as, it could say that 2-channel only works in the middle slots but actually work with all slots in 2 sets.
You didn't seem like a dick. You were very polite.
However, ish should check on that duel channel thing ... if I read the board's specs incorrectly, then the board would support as you're saying. However, I've found that almost all documentation is ... misleading in some places. Such as, it could say that 2-channel only works in the middle slots but actually work with all slots in 2 sets.
Blame it on Microsoft, God does.
Re: Upgrading, woo woo!
Posted by Jinx on Wed Sep 14th at 4:51pm 2005
Posted by Jinx on Wed Sep 14th at 4:51pm 2005
Ah, the physics cards. Those could be cool, though tbh I am hoping Nvidia & ATI just license the technology and include it as part of next-gen video cards. Otherwise I really doubt it would catch on, and if it did... you wanna have to buy a video card AND a physics card to game? Ugh.... :/
The specs there say there are four slots, 4GB max, and that it supports dual-channel. Generally that means there are two sets of slots, usually color-coded. So, you can have two pairs of dual-channel memory. One pair goes in, say, the green slots, and the other pair would go in the purple slots, or whatever colors that motherboard uses to distinguish them. Sometimes pairs are side-by-side, other times they are staggered like on his board:
Benchmarking suggests dual-channel isn't that useful for gaming right now, but it's supposed to be helpful in photoshop etc. when dealing with very large files. Since you have four slots to play with, I usually start people off with 1GB dual-channel. Best performance, and still plenty of room to upgrade later on.
The specs there say there are four slots, 4GB max, and that it supports dual-channel. Generally that means there are two sets of slots, usually color-coded. So, you can have two pairs of dual-channel memory. One pair goes in, say, the green slots, and the other pair would go in the purple slots, or whatever colors that motherboard uses to distinguish them. Sometimes pairs are side-by-side, other times they are staggered like on his board:
Benchmarking suggests dual-channel isn't that useful for gaming right now, but it's supposed to be helpful in photoshop etc. when dealing with very large files. Since you have four slots to play with, I usually start people off with 1GB dual-channel. Best performance, and still plenty of room to upgrade later on.
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Posted by Nickelplate on Wed Sep 14th at 5:00pm 2005
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Posted by Nickelplate on Wed Sep 14th at 5:00pm 2005
I just want my Voodoo card back..... ![<img src=]()
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Re: Upgrading, woo woo!
Posted by Jinx on Wed Sep 14th at 5:01pm 2005
My Pentium II 400mhz still has its Voodoo 5500 in it, and runs just great.
I gotta dig out my old Banshee next time I get back to my parents...
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Posted by Jinx on Wed Sep 14th at 5:01pm 2005
? quote:
I just want my Voodoo card back..... 
My Pentium II 400mhz still has its Voodoo 5500 in it, and runs just great.
I gotta dig out my old Banshee next time I get back to my parents...
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Posted by Nickelplate on Wed Sep 14th at 5:04pm 2005
Man, back when Half-life was still new, My voodoo5 made everything so pretty.....
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Re: Upgrading, woo woo!
Posted by Crono on Wed Sep 14th at 7:56pm 2005
Posted by Crono on Wed Sep 14th at 7:56pm 2005
Yes, yes, I know about the duel channel processes in general. Once I actually get my hands on some of this hardware I'd be able to be more accurate more of the time. As it stands, I'm going on intuition based on what I know of how everything works already and some documentation here and there when I really am not informed completely.
Actually, AGIEA is an independent company (Not sure if that's what you meant). I know they'll probably make a version for whatever expansion ATi comes up with.
But, a separate processor is going to be very valuable. It's something you wouldn't want to pack onto a graphics card, honestly. Since, that would, not only limit the amount of information that both the graphics and the physics could take (since it's physically one interface) and just many other things
SLi is a really good idea though. And I think once the stuff that is new now becomes more dated, that'll show. Since, then, you'd be able to do a very small upgrade to almost double your video power (when it'll actually make a difference ... like with Unreal 3, for example) That or it can just be an expansion slot, which would be wonderful if it were adapted that way.
At least, that's the only reason I'd want SLi at all, so in a few years, when it is used by expansion cards, I wouldn't have to buy a new board, or anything like that. Not to mention, the PCI-E slots are on a faster bus![<img src=]()
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Speaking of Banshee cards ... I need to re-jack mine back from my dad. Sadly, it's PCI, since I had no AGP slot at the time, but it's a decent 3d card. That or I need to find a chipset fan to put on my slightly charred GeForce 2.
Actually, AGIEA is an independent company (Not sure if that's what you meant). I know they'll probably make a version for whatever expansion ATi comes up with.
But, a separate processor is going to be very valuable. It's something you wouldn't want to pack onto a graphics card, honestly. Since, that would, not only limit the amount of information that both the graphics and the physics could take (since it's physically one interface) and just many other things
SLi is a really good idea though. And I think once the stuff that is new now becomes more dated, that'll show. Since, then, you'd be able to do a very small upgrade to almost double your video power (when it'll actually make a difference ... like with Unreal 3, for example) That or it can just be an expansion slot, which would be wonderful if it were adapted that way.
At least, that's the only reason I'd want SLi at all, so in a few years, when it is used by expansion cards, I wouldn't have to buy a new board, or anything like that. Not to mention, the PCI-E slots are on a faster bus
Speaking of Banshee cards ... I need to re-jack mine back from my dad. Sadly, it's PCI, since I had no AGP slot at the time, but it's a decent 3d card. That or I need to find a chipset fan to put on my slightly charred GeForce 2.
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Re: Upgrading, woo woo!
Posted by Jinx on Wed Sep 14th at 8:15pm 2005
Posted by Jinx on Wed Sep 14th at 8:15pm 2005
In terms of bandwidth you might be fine, nothing uses what PCI-E offers right now anyway. But yeah, I'm not sure how well it would work out fitting all that stuff into one card. Graphics cards are huge, hot, and overloaded as it is.
Part of the problem I see is getting the physics cards into the market in enough quantity to get things moving. No way will they make a game that 'requires' one right off. And without all the players having a physics card, you can't really use it for things that influence gameplay. And that's the real test- will game developers use enhanced physics to enhance -gameplay-? So far Half-Life 2 is the only game I've seen where the physics engine is much more than a visual perk.
If they come out with cheap PCI or PCI-E 1x physics cards, and/or integrate basic physics processors into some of the nicer graphics cards, it might manage to work its way into our pcs, though...
SLI... would be much more sensible if you didn't need matched cards. And as for doubling your power, by the time you need to do that, you can get a card twice as powerful for the same amount of money anyway. Assuming your old card is still even in production, which is another potential problem.
Part of the problem I see is getting the physics cards into the market in enough quantity to get things moving. No way will they make a game that 'requires' one right off. And without all the players having a physics card, you can't really use it for things that influence gameplay. And that's the real test- will game developers use enhanced physics to enhance -gameplay-? So far Half-Life 2 is the only game I've seen where the physics engine is much more than a visual perk.
If they come out with cheap PCI or PCI-E 1x physics cards, and/or integrate basic physics processors into some of the nicer graphics cards, it might manage to work its way into our pcs, though...
SLI... would be much more sensible if you didn't need matched cards. And as for doubling your power, by the time you need to do that, you can get a card twice as powerful for the same amount of money anyway. Assuming your old card is still even in production, which is another potential problem.
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Posted by ishbog on Wed Sep 14th at 8:25pm 2005
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Posted by ishbog on Wed Sep 14th at 8:25pm 2005
due to the fact that its got future features stuff, and is a heck of alot better, im switching to a 7800GT by MSI. its 269 after a $30 rebate. sticking with the 3500 venice, and still deciding on teh RAM and mobo.
the main reason i was sticking with the mobo was the soundblaster live, but thats a crappy reason. i have 2 speakers. meh. looking at asus... is gigabyte good?
and for ram, still havnt decided between 1gb stick, or 2x512 in dual channel. im thinkin dual channel, cause, in a year when i want to upgrade again, i can just stick in another gig, or 2 gigs in dual channel, and have 2-3 gigs of ram anyway. that should be plenty. whos cheap? methinks corsair.
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Re: Upgrading, woo woo!
Posted by Crono on Wed Sep 14th at 8:27pm 2005
Posted by Crono on Wed Sep 14th at 8:27pm 2005
Right, but assuming the card is in production, it'd be cheaper to buy it again instead of upgrading to a more expensive brand new card. At least that's consensus.
About the AGEIA thing, maybe I should explain it better! People who're teaming up with AGEIA on their physics (Epic, Mythic, Sony, UbiSoft, Cryptic are some of the people teamed with this product) the physics card will be optional. It will still have code in the game for the physics, but it's own support. It's the same way a graphics card is set up, none of the graphics information is ON the graphics card, it's only processed and used there.
There are AGEIA (dubbed NovoDex Rocket) demos out right now, actually, that show the software equivalent of what this card will handle on it's own. Which is really cool. They have working friction, and pressure, I think. You should check it out. Once you see what they have in store, it might be more obvious as to why you would need a dedicated processor. They have a four "building" explosion that's all physics calculated ... it goes like .25 FPS on my computer
It uses a framework, I believe, that you'd need installed (I'm guessing). Kind of like DirectX type deal, or .NET ... or OGL for that matter.
http://www.ageia.com/
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No, actually corsair is rather expensive. The value stuff is suppose to be cheaper. Again, the reason I suggested a gig stick instead of 2 x 512 Mb is A) save space on the board so your maximum would be 4GB instead of 3.5 GB (give or take)
I have an MSI board, I like it. It's nice. It has the same features that you'd find on any ASUS board, without the bloated gimmicky features. Again, get something that's decently price and readily upgradable. Pretty much anything you get that has a warranty will work. I mean, it's not like there is a lot of retail-brand hardware out there that simply doesn't work.
I like MSI. I've had so many issues with ASUS, specifically speaking about their boards, I'm sure it's a little different now. But I still know people who have their boards and are just fed up with them.
One thing that might be a deciding factor is the support on their website! It's very useful.
OH! One thing, that's (as far as I know) unique on the MSI that can be useful in times of "difficulties", if they occur at all, is the Diagnostic Lights.
ASUS has that speed optimizer thing, or something. It's a fancy word for automatic overclocking ability. Which most all boards have now.
Um. Yeah, that's about it. Most of what you'll hear is personal preference. So, it's really up to you. I would suggest going by your wallet if you want to keep it under $700. (as you said)
One more thing ... where the hell did you find a 7800 for $269??
I'd be shell out for that! I really don't want to wait longer. And as I already had my aims on the 6800 series, it's all good.
As for the ram ... seriously, there's been enough discussion. Just read what we've been throwing back and forth (disregard my 2GB limit remark) and judge for your self. Jinx is right though. It will only help in intensive applications like photo and film editing, as opposed to games. Since they work a little differently.
If you like, you might want to look up some introductory articles on some of the topics, just to get a better understanding of "why". Not sure where, but look up chipsets (which, hopefully will lead to explanations of how it all works together). It should explain HDD accessing ... why you want to avoid it and many other things.
About the AGEIA thing, maybe I should explain it better! People who're teaming up with AGEIA on their physics (Epic, Mythic, Sony, UbiSoft, Cryptic are some of the people teamed with this product) the physics card will be optional. It will still have code in the game for the physics, but it's own support. It's the same way a graphics card is set up, none of the graphics information is ON the graphics card, it's only processed and used there.
There are AGEIA (dubbed NovoDex Rocket) demos out right now, actually, that show the software equivalent of what this card will handle on it's own. Which is really cool. They have working friction, and pressure, I think. You should check it out. Once you see what they have in store, it might be more obvious as to why you would need a dedicated processor. They have a four "building" explosion that's all physics calculated ... it goes like .25 FPS on my computer
It uses a framework, I believe, that you'd need installed (I'm guessing). Kind of like DirectX type deal, or .NET ... or OGL for that matter.
http://www.ageia.com/
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No, actually corsair is rather expensive. The value stuff is suppose to be cheaper. Again, the reason I suggested a gig stick instead of 2 x 512 Mb is A) save space on the board so your maximum would be 4GB instead of 3.5 GB (give or take)
I have an MSI board, I like it. It's nice. It has the same features that you'd find on any ASUS board, without the bloated gimmicky features. Again, get something that's decently price and readily upgradable. Pretty much anything you get that has a warranty will work. I mean, it's not like there is a lot of retail-brand hardware out there that simply doesn't work.
I like MSI. I've had so many issues with ASUS, specifically speaking about their boards, I'm sure it's a little different now. But I still know people who have their boards and are just fed up with them.
One thing that might be a deciding factor is the support on their website! It's very useful.
OH! One thing, that's (as far as I know) unique on the MSI that can be useful in times of "difficulties", if they occur at all, is the Diagnostic Lights.
ASUS has that speed optimizer thing, or something. It's a fancy word for automatic overclocking ability. Which most all boards have now.
Um. Yeah, that's about it. Most of what you'll hear is personal preference. So, it's really up to you. I would suggest going by your wallet if you want to keep it under $700. (as you said)
One more thing ... where the hell did you find a 7800 for $269??
I'd be shell out for that! I really don't want to wait longer. And as I already had my aims on the 6800 series, it's all good.
As for the ram ... seriously, there's been enough discussion. Just read what we've been throwing back and forth (disregard my 2GB limit remark) and judge for your self. Jinx is right though. It will only help in intensive applications like photo and film editing, as opposed to games. Since they work a little differently.
If you like, you might want to look up some introductory articles on some of the topics, just to get a better understanding of "why". Not sure where, but look up chipsets (which, hopefully will lead to explanations of how it all works together). It should explain HDD accessing ... why you want to avoid it and many other things.
Blame it on Microsoft, God does.
Re: Upgrading, woo woo!
Posted by ishbog on Wed Sep 14th at 8:40pm 2005
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Posted by ishbog on Wed Sep 14th at 8:40pm 2005
thats pretty snazzy. really snazzy.
and sli is totally good; two years and you pop in a new one, double perf. g2g.
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If animals weren't meant to be eaten, then they wouldn't be so delicious and easy to catch!
Face it: if crime didn't pay, there would be very few criminals.
If animals weren't meant to be eaten, then they wouldn't be so delicious and easy to catch!
Face it: if crime didn't pay, there would be very few criminals.
Re: Upgrading, woo woo!
Posted by Crono on Wed Sep 14th at 8:46pm 2005
Posted by Crono on Wed Sep 14th at 8:46pm 2005
... If you can find the exact same card ... that's the only "gotcha" part. (I think otherwise, though, a wrapper of some sort would just slow it down too much, but I think there'd have to be some tests to check that out. I can see it now, there'd be a seperate chipset for the graphics portion, in which case ... it would work, but be slow, but be fast with compatable stuff)
Blame it on Microsoft, God does.
Re: Upgrading, woo woo!
Posted by ishbog on Mon Sep 19th at 4:50am 2005
ishbog
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Posted by ishbog on Mon Sep 19th at 4:50am 2005
it is done.
my dad and i just reviewed the parts to the new system on newegg and bought it. should be here in a few days. who wants to hear about it when its together " SRC="images/smiles/icon_wink.gif">??
specs are as follows:
| Qty. | Product Description | Unit Price | Total Price |
| 1 | CASE COOLERMASTER CAV-T03-UW RETAIL - Retail Item #: N82E16811119075 |
$59.99 | $59.99 |
| 1 | MB|MSI K8N Neo4/SLI RET - Retail Item #: N82E16813130492 |
$124.00 | $124.00 |
| 1 | VGA MSI NX7800GT-VT2D256E RT - Retail Item #: N82E16814127190 |
$399.00 | $399.00 |
| 1 | PSU FSP|AX400-PN 400W RT - Retail Item #: N82E16817104953 |
$39.99 | $39.99 |
| 1 | CPU AMD 64 |3500+ ATHLON 64 939 RT - Retail Item #: N82E16819103533 |
$219.00 | $219.00 |
| 1 | CORSAIR D400 512MX2 VS1GBKIT400 R - Retail Item #: N82E16820145440 |
$90.50 | $90.50 |
| Subtotal: | $932.48 | ||
 Tax: |
$0.00 | ||
| Shipping: | $35.31 | ||
| Grand Total: | $967.79 |
ishbog
member
86 posts
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Registered: Dec 7th 2004
Location: usa
Occupation: web designer/game developer
www.nysteo.com
If animals weren't meant to be eaten, then they wouldn't be so delicious and easy to catch!
Face it: if crime didn't pay, there would be very few criminals.
If animals weren't meant to be eaten, then they wouldn't be so delicious and easy to catch!
Face it: if crime didn't pay, there would be very few criminals.
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