VALVe on HDR
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Re: VALVe on HDR
Posted by fraggard on Thu Sep 15th at 5:02pm 2005


http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/lostcoast.ars

There's a bit of info about HL2's implementation of the new HDR technology, and some bits about DOD:Source.




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Re: VALVe on HDR
Posted by Windows 98 on Thu Sep 15th at 5:06pm 2005


Cool. I only read half of it though. I love that Valve has a Valve in a room. I saw that on G4






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Re: VALVe on HDR
Posted by satchmo on Thu Sep 15th at 7:44pm 2005


I carefully read through the entire article. It's very informative, although I prefer the writer didn't sound so glib.

HDR is more than what I imagined it could be. It's much more than just exposure adjustment. It could just be the missing link between photorealistic games and almost photorealistic ones.

I am excited to see the final result soon. I am also glad that my machine can handle the additional calculation necessary for HDR.




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Posted by Pvt.Scythe on Thu Sep 15th at 8:04pm 2005


Photorealism is still far ahead, but HDR seems like a big step forward although it seems that valves implementation isn't a "full" HDR.



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Re: VALVe on HDR
Posted by satchmo on Thu Sep 15th at 8:21pm 2005


Yeah, the HDR doesn't work through a refractive material. But that's not too essential.

Just look at how far gaming has gone...




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Re: VALVe on HDR
Posted by Captain P on Thu Sep 15th at 8:32pm 2005


You call that old, satchmo? Watch this... <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_wink.gif">






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Re: VALVe on HDR
Posted by mazemaster on Fri Sep 16th at 12:39am 2005


:rolleyes:

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Radiosity is a method of rendering an image using only visible light sources, and calculating all the paths that light will take from these sources to illuminate a scene, taking into account the fact that light bounces off objects multiple times. In traditional 3D games, light reflection was only calculated once, and as a result interior areas often had to "cheat" by placing invisible fill lights inside rooms in order for the player to see anything. However, as brightness decreases drastically with every bounce off a wall, without HDR techniques the light streaming in from an outside source would never be bright enough to fill a room. In addition, when using radiosity it becomes possible to simulate the behavior of light when it passes through translucent media, such as the effect when light streams through stained glass windows.


We've only had that for like what, 10 years now?






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Re: VALVe on HDR
Posted by fraggard on Fri Sep 16th at 12:49pm 2005


From the article:

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It takes a server farm of 32 computers about 40 minutes to compile The Lost Coast level.


Wow. Mapping with HDR is going to be hell. (Unless they do something to speed up compiles, or processor speeds get high enough.)




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Re: VALVe on HDR
Posted by Gaara on Fri Sep 16th at 1:57pm 2005




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It takes a server farm of 32 computers about 40 minutes to compile The Lost Coast level.




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Re: VALVe on HDR
Posted by ReNo on Fri Sep 16th at 3:20pm 2005


I love the fact they say in one bullet point (paraphrasing) "HDR will be easy for modders to implement", and in the next say "you need a dedicated f**king server farm to compile the maps that use it" <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif"> They didn't specify if its HDR that bumps up compile times or just bad level building practices however :P






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Re: VALVe on HDR
Posted by satchmo on Fri Sep 16th at 3:48pm 2005


I imagine it would take days to compile a map for HDR using a single puny computer, regardless of the architecture.

Perhaps it would take hours just to compile a killbox with a single light source.




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Re: VALVe on HDR
Posted by Madedog on Fri Sep 16th at 4:52pm 2005


I think we get to try out <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif">



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Re: VALVe on HDR
Posted by mazemaster on Fri Sep 16th at 8:01pm 2005


32 boxes * 40 mins = ~20 hours. Thats not so bad. Most big/complicated maps for HL2 take around 10 hours in my experience, and I'm going to bet that TLC is both big and complicated, so its not like its that big of a difference.





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Posted by satchmo on Fri Sep 16th at 8:39pm 2005


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32 boxes * 40 mins = ~20 hours.

But that's assuming the number of computers decreases the compile time in a linear fashion. Is that always true?




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Re: VALVe on HDR
Posted by ishbog on Fri Sep 16th at 8:44pm 2005


OBVIOUSLY, lost coast takes a long time to compile. however, i dont think this is because of HDR. lost coast is coming to be the most complex and intricate level ever designed, with every detail you would never think to have, that its going to take that long probably without HDR. while HDR prolly slows down the radiosity thing, or adds another process to compiling, i dont think thats why lost coast takes so long.

edit: and oh, fock! i fisking went to valve! did i mention that? i live an hour away, did it for school.

course, i parked in the underground lot, so didnt see that entrance. as for the valve, its in the middle of the main lobby, gabes brother bought it off a retired naval ship for him. and i have my own picture of that golden crowbar...



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