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Posted by omegaslayer on Sat Sep 17th at 5:34am 2005

Im torn between posting this and not posting it, but this subject put me in a funky mood, just read on:
Today I found out from some friends that a class mate of mine (from High School) had killed himself today. We both never really cared for each other, but it is strange to think that this fellow killed himself, like he couldn't take life anymore. How could things be this bad? But that isn't why im poting this thread. The story contunues, basicaly the mother found her son down by the river hanging from a rope attatched to a tree branch (need I go into more detail). But what gets me is that in his computer there was a web page opened that explained on how to tie the knot that would kill you. Why in the world would a site like this exist? What is the internet comming to? Any thoughts/vents?

If this is a politicaly incorrect thread then delete it, but im curious as to everyone's thoughts on it.



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Posted by Crono on Sat Sep 17th at 5:48am 2005

That's terrible.

However, I think "extreme video" sites are far worse. Ones that show videos of people killing others, or themselves. Amongst so many other things.

However, I've wondered how to actually tie a nuice, for Halloween. I got close last year, it looked pretty decent on the dummy.

But, The Internet has had this type of content for a very long time. Apparently, it used to be more common to see pages about how to create explosives and such.

I think, it's actually gotten harder to find accurate information like this, simply because the volume of data has basically been white washed out. You'll most likely find pages that are pure "fiction".

But, As for high school students killing themselves ... what the hell? In high school, you literally have no idea what the rest of your life would be like. I think, honestly, it stems from parents lack in ability to talk to their kids about what they're feeling and how to deal with some emotions. A very important one is rejection and being hurt by someone you care about. It's something hard to talk about, but it could save the son/daughter's life.


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Posted by Cassius on Sat Sep 17th at 6:35am 2005

Crono - It's easiest to give advice on something you haven't experienced (my apologies if you have). No offense to you, of course - you know I respect you. It's just that the reality of such scenarios is more complex than the concept of them.

I'm sorry to hear that, Omega. I really doubt, though, that he would not have committed suicide had the website not existed.





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Posted by wil5on on Sat Sep 17th at 7:05am 2005

He didnt kill himself because a website told him to. The fact there are many websites with instructions on how to kill yourself, build bombs etc. doesnt mean you turn suicidal or into a terrorist by reading them. Cassius is correct on this.




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Posted by omegaslayer on Sat Sep 17th at 7:20am 2005

Im not saying that the website was the cause. Im asking why are there things like this on the internet? Why are they freely accesible? And why isnt anyone doing anything to take that S*** off the inetrnet? What is a 5 year old suppost to think when he comes across a site like this? (and they do) Call me sheltered, call me ignorant, but I just can't accept that the world we live in is this F***ed up!!!



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Posted by fraggard on Sat Sep 17th at 8:19am 2005

No one is taking this stuff off the net because no one cares. The kid who died wasn't politically connected, and he didn't know any "good" lawyers either. The only ways to get any site on the net shut down seem to be

1)RIAA/MPAA screwing around
2)"Terrorist" activity against the USA/NATO countries
3)Massive public outcry (US/Canada and parts of europe)

All of which basically come down to having bucketloads of money to throw around.

Personally, I want no part of the internet to be regulated by a central body. I don't trust other people who make decisions on what is right and wrong for me to read. The internet is supposed to be anarchy.




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Posted by fishy on Sat Sep 17th at 8:20am 2005

tbh, i think if i wanted to kill myself, i wouldn't need to google for a tut. the fact that i could find one if i did try doesn't surprise me. after all, the internet has been put together by people, and we all know how f**ked-up they can be.




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Posted by Cash Car Star on Sat Sep 17th at 9:09am 2005

I'm going to make a webpage about how to get onto the roof of a tall building and then jump off.



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Posted by Crapceeper on Sat Sep 17th at 9:50am 2005

If you want to you can kill yourself with virtually everything. And it is impossible to shut down internet sites dealing with virtually everything.

Such sites exist because they are not supposed to help with suicide. They are just about information.

I know it's shocking to hear about a suicide especially when you knew the vicitim. And it's perfectly normal to search for an explanation. But the only reason is: because he wantet to. Even if he was young and didn't know what his life would be like one cannot redo this. Although we don't understand; and I don't even know him I try to respect his wish. Because it surely wasn't an easy made decision. I hope he's happy where ever he might be.


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Posted by fishy on Sat Sep 17th at 9:53am 2005

i wonder how many people have jumped off bridges, only to change their minds once the cold water hits them, and then drown trying to swim back to safety.

i found a guy at work one morning, face down in a pool of blood in toilet cubicle, with his hands stuffed in his back pockets. it seems he lined himself up with the toilet pan, stuffed his hands in his pockets to stop his instincts from saving him, and fell forwards. i was relieved that he managed to miss the pan by a few inches, because the mess he made was bad enough. he survived, and was all the uglier for his troubles.




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Posted by mazemaster on Sat Sep 17th at 9:54am 2005

Anarchy is great since there is basically no built-in way to stop anyone from doing anything. It is ultimate freedom. The downside of that is in the real world people could go around killing you, stealing your stuff, etc, which would suck.

Luckily on the internet the extent of anarchy is information, and information can't actually do physical harm - it can't kidnap your children or burn down your house.


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Posted by Kain on Sat Sep 17th at 1:41pm 2005

? quoting Crapceeper
If you want to you can kill yourself with virtually everything.

I know you can do it with a spoon, but it's really painful (you can like stick it in your eyeball with all your strength). I think jumping from a building is much cooler.





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Posted by French Toast on Sat Sep 17th at 2:31pm 2005

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The fact there are many websites


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Posted by Andrei on Sat Sep 17th at 4:37pm 2005

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Posted by satchmo on Sat Sep 17th at 5:37pm 2005

One of the wonderful aspect about the internet is that it has information on everything. It's relatively non-censored, and that's what makes it so amazing and useful.

If someone wanted to kill himself, he would have done it regardless of the internet. There are so many ways to kill oneself.



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Posted by Crono on Sat Sep 17th at 6:24pm 2005

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Crono - It's easiest to give advice on something you haven't experienced (my apologies if you have). No offense to you, of course - you know I respect you. It's just that the reality of such scenarios is more complex than the concept of them.
I'm sorry to hear that, Omega. I really doubt, though, that he would not have committed suicide had the website not existed.


Yes, it is easily to give advise from a 'objective' view point. I know how much something could hurt, or how you could feel to contemplate something like this, and yes in which point, a website will not sway your view. It's the same as violent video games, did the game make the player go out and kill someone? No, of course not. It was their line of judgement, their perception of their personal world (their day to day life, how they're treated, so on and so forth). But. Honestly, it really does go back to parenting, while it may not be as easy as I explained, because of whatever factor (no parents, unwillingness to speak with them, or even because the parents are more screwed up themselves). It is still a very large factor, I think.

I believe they just did a study, I'm not sure how accurate it is, but it makes sense. It was something along the lines that, if parents were supportive and friendly with their children when they were in Kindergarten (around 5 years old) then, when they went into adolescence, they were more likely to confide in their parents, in which case, the parents would know where they are, and be sure that they can trust them and not be afraid of whatever mistake might be made, whatever that may be.
Because, most problems really do stem from the parent's lack of ability to communicate with their child. I guess I was just lucky that I developed anti-peer-pressure abilities, or something. Because it really wasn't until recently that I've been able to talk to my parents, and I've realized why: they and their parents have had terrible lives.

It would make everything much simpler if people, whoever they may be, learned to deal, healthily, with their emotions. Because then, something that happened to your grandmother when she was 17 wouldn't effect you until you're 23 or something like that. (Just a scenario).

But, no, I've never contemplated suicide, it's never sat right with me. I don't know why, honestly, I've had plenty of reasons. But, I know that what I've said doesn't do anything for the individuals who're already in the situation. It's much easier to change yourself and make yourself better for the sake of the rest in your family line. But, I know some might see that as a little optimistic, but it's by no means far fetched <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">


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Posted by moonracer1313 on Sat Sep 17th at 6:55pm 2005

first- as to the Internet site:

Your example is part of what makes the Internet such a powerfull tool. It is a network of much of the human race and a collage (sp?) of our shared human consciousness. Regulating that information is either seen as a safety issue ("some people can't make good choices on their own or are easily influenced"), or a control issue ("if other people new about this/how to do that we would be in trouble").

Free information and the power of the individual to access and use that information is indeed a great power. And perhaps the human race isn't ready for that. But I think a better solution to censorship would be to alter our education system and look at things as "our people have access to a great deal of information and we must educate and train them on how to process and use that information possitively and effectively.

Perhaps then, your class mate would have done more like I did and read about other depressed/different people, found out how to deal with his depression and found others who he could relate to (either in RL or online). The Internet has allowed the creation of communities of people who could never imagine linking up in the real world.

As for the suicide itself:
As a spiritual person and a person who has suffered cronic depression all his life. I feel happy for your classmate. My worst fear when thinking of suicide is the chance of having to deal with a failed attempt afterwards (which many people do have to live with). He made a decision, thought carefully about his actions, made sure he was doing it right, and acted through.

While an early death is sad, sometimes a long life is worse.




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Posted by Forceflow on Sat Sep 17th at 8:14pm 2005

Btw, the article on Maddox' site is just for fun. Someone who cannot distinguish that from real tips ...



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Posted by Nickelplate on Sat Sep 17th at 10:33pm 2005

You know why our world is so screwed up?
Nobody is taking responsibility for thier actions.
"There will come a time when men will not put up with sound doctrine, instead they will gather about them teachers to tell them what thier itching ears want to hear."

Look at how many people in the other thread or other people in general if you ask them said "I have my own religion, I don't like the idea of a higher being ruling my life, I beleive that as long as I'm a basically good person, I will be okay." or "I don't like all the rules so I have my own religion."
Nobody wants to answer for thier actions.
Women can now LEGALLY have an abortion in the third trimester all the way until the DAY BEFORE the natural birth of the baby.
People are having casual sex without learning eachother's names and thier children are being born into broken homes with 16-year-old mothers who are not ready for such responsiblity.
Along with the "tolerance" our society preaches has come a myriad of things like this that will eventually tear us apart.
We live in a wicked and depraved generation, Omegaslayer, moreso than any other time. There's no way to fix it, because even now people who are readig this will disregard it as the rantings of some "conservative hatemonger" and some will even attack what I have said, but I stand by it: It's a lack of God in our society that will bring much more pain before the end.


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Posted by Dark_Kilauea on Sun Sep 18th at 12:00am 2005

agreed.


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