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Posted by Andrei on Sun Sep 18th at 6:43pm 2005

The Orthodox Church condemns all sexual intercourse that doesn't have the purpose of procreation but it strangely doesn't say anything about masturbation.

Ahem, It also condemns suicide stating that "God gives you life, only He has the right to take it from you". Those who commit suicide don't get proper funerals. Many think that if you commit suicide you become a servant of the devil, too.

Such poppyc**k.




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Posted by Nickelplate on Sun Sep 18th at 9:25pm 2005

The reason people can say "Your beliefs are wrong." is because there is only one right way, and an infinite number of wrong ways to live.

About the false idols and our cars. It doesn't matter that we ARE in a sense paying more attention to our cars than we are to God. The rule still applies, you know? And about the lump of cells that can't even think: what about a brain-dead adult? can we kill that lump of cells that can't think?

Religion is not a tool to control people. In Basic Christianity, there's no one PERSON that controls anyone else, I mean who does THAT benefit?
Also, yes we can RESPECT other people's beleifs whether they're right or wrong, because so many of them have good points to them or have sound morals. So yes, respect other's religions and don't bash them even if you beleive they're wrong. but in such a logic/science-based community, we all should be able to present points without ppl getting angry and whatnot. (even if that point is that you think the other one is wrong.)

Andrei: The Orthodox Church has some things in thier cannon that aren't in the bible. among them are "the last rites" and the fact that ou don't get them if you commit suicide. Also, the bible says you can only have sex with someone if you're married, never anything about only for procraition. And, lucky for you, Masturbation is OKAY! In the bible, a man named Onan jacked off to keep from having a kid, and god killed him. The only reason that happened is becua se God TOLD him to have the kid but Onan didn't wanna. it wasnt the wanking that made god mad, it was the fact that he disobeyed a direct order.




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Posted by Cassius on Mon Sep 19th at 1:13am 2005

Religion stems from the very same existential insecurity that we feel today. Calling it a tool to control people is retarded - Christianity especially, whose faithful the Romans executed in its early years.





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Posted by moonracer1313 on Mon Sep 19th at 2:07am 2005

This is the most intellectually stimulating and entertaining gaming forum I have been on in ages. I love you guys (and girls).

Just a point. Christianity was formed just as much as a political movement as a religious one. Jesus was after all, pursecuted by the Romans because he was against their control of the land.

And in the Old Testament, there are massive sections devoted to what to do in various situations where your neighbors oxen fall into a hole on your land and dies. (I'm not kidding, I took bibble studies and was bored to tears reading that section). But basically a list of legal advice on what to do if any old thing happens. Other examples include ritual circumsision (hygiene) and Kosher food practices (food safety regulations before knowlege of parasites and bacteria).

Indeed, "control" is a very strong, and perhaps incorrect term. But looking back at history, one can see many examples of how a government is paralleled and works with the dominant religion of its country. The Shaman or Spirit Leader of a tribe or village giving advice. Egyptian Pharos and Medieval Kings (among others) declaring themselves second in power only to God or the Gods.

This is presently a concern for many Americans who are not Christian, because our President is a strong believer in that religion and is trying to push forward laws and actions based on the beliefs of that Religion.

As a side note, I don't mean to bash or focus on Judao-Chrisitan ideals or influence. It is just that they are the predominant religions in America and so I am most knowlegable of them. I do try to have equal respect and understanding of all religions.







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Posted by Nickelplate on Mon Sep 19th at 4:34am 2005

It's good to see someone who's studied the bible in the thread. the Old Testamen is not Christianity, you probably knew, but your thread may confuse others who aren't so familiar. This is not just a game forum, it's everything from games to the meaning of life, and to some those things are the same.


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Posted by Cassius on Mon Sep 19th at 4:42am 2005

I like the Old Testament best. Ecclesiastes and Job FTW




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Posted by Nickelplate on Mon Sep 19th at 4:44am 2005

? quoting Cassius
I like the Old Testament best. Ecclesiastes and Job FTW

yeah, that and all the stories about wars and stuff.




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Posted by moonracer1313 on Mon Sep 19th at 5:00am 2005

Good point Nickleplate. I guess I kind of take the Old Testament /New Testament thing for granted. I also tend to blend Jewish and Christian religions together a bit too much (as there are distinct diferences besides the whole Jesus thing, which are also important). I guess I'm just always amazed at how much distanced the two religions are considering how much common ground they share. But I guess the same goes for all people <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">

I like the story of Genesis (actually all creationist stories) the best myself. Some really fascinating stuff.




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Posted by Windows 98 on Mon Sep 19th at 5:14am 2005

OFF TOPIC:

Crono makes possible the longest posts out of anyone... just letting everone know. Because usually i read about half of what he says in his long ass posts the my ADD kicks in and i scroll down to the next reply hoping that they are relating and i can see what Crono could have summerized in like half of his posts.




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Posted by Nickelplate on Mon Sep 19th at 5:20am 2005

Thanks Windows98, I didn't realize that until just then.

BTW, i think the "Cpt. Obvious" just kicked in for you....




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Posted by mazemaster on Mon Sep 19th at 5:51am 2005

Crono's posts are always good for an interesting read even if I don't agree with them.


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Posted by Crono on Mon Sep 19th at 6:59am 2005

Yes. I know, they're long. I typed them.


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Posted by Gaara on Mon Sep 19th at 7:04am 2005

? quoting Nickelplate
Religion is not a tool to control people.

I'm not saying ALL religion at all times is a tool for control, just certain religions at certain times used by certain people have been used as tools, like telling terrorists that they die for their religion and they get sent up to their heaven to 40 virgins. No offense to anyone who believes that.




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Posted by Crono on Mon Sep 19th at 7:23am 2005

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? quoting Nickelplate
Religion is not a tool to control people.

I'm not saying ALL religion at all times is a tool for control, just certain religions at certain times used by certain people have been used as tools, like telling terrorists that they die for their religion and they get sent up to their heaven to 40 virgins. No offense to anyone who believes that.


Yeah ... except there's really nothing in the Muslim religion that claims this. It also says that you're not allowed to kill someone unless they are an immediate threat to you/your family and your place of worship (a specific mosque)

What terrorists are being told is pure ... well ... s**t. It's not part of the religion at all. Not to mention, Muslims believe very deeply in monogamy. It's one of the reasons why, during a marriage ceremony, the husband and wife are bound together by one of each's wrist. (With like some sort of lace or something).

However, all religions at some point have been misconstrued and changed to suit someone's objective, (King James Bible ... there's a reason why it's named after him) At one point a lot of kingdoms felt it was a good idea to put things in like, "It's a sin to not pay taxes", or something as such.

The only question that you REALLY need to ask is: did the ends justify the means? Those taxes wouldn't have been paid otherwise, for example, and those kingdoms would have fallen, quite possibly destroyed during a raid, because they couldn't afford to defend themselves (since if your kingdom is poor, many, better off people, would probably leave. This would include people in service).
So ... yeah ... there are some things that don't make sense, probably, for this reason.


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Posted by Gaara on Mon Sep 19th at 7:53am 2005

Yeah I meant people bending religion to towards their own purposes.


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Posted by Nickelplate on Mon Sep 19th at 2:54pm 2005

Where does it say that it's a sin not to pay taxes? Or was that just an example?

In Islam, there is a thing called Jihad, or Holy War. It was meant to be an inner struggle that no one else needed to know about, but somewhere along the line, killing "infidels" got to be the fast track to heaven. They said if you die during a war defending yourself, your family, or your place of worship you are automatically in heaven no matter what. So they took the Jihad and made it a "holy war" against other ppl instead of with themselves, and since suicide bombing is a way to: die, kill infidels, be in the "holy war", it's thier sure-ticket to heaven with all them fine virgins.

Plus, who wants to deal with 70 whiney virgins? You'd think after being married to ONe woman, the "I told you so"s would get to be enough.




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Posted by fishy on Mon Sep 19th at 3:16pm 2005

? quoting Nickelplate
Where does it say that it's a sin not to pay taxes? Or was that just an example?

someone asked jesus if it was right to be paying taxes to the roman invaders. as it was caesars head that was on the coin, the simple answer was to give to caesar what is caesars.

as most christians might say that disobeying the big man is a sin, then the answer to your question would be somewhere around Mark 12:17




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Posted by Nickelplate on Mon Sep 19th at 5:46pm 2005

Right in that instance, The Pharisees asked Jesus if it was right to pay taxes to the roman government. they knew that If he said it was bad to pay taxes that the romans would arrest him, but if he said that we SHOULD pay taxes, that the Jews would hate him. Jesus responded by asking whose face was on the coin. they replied that it was Caesar's face, and Jesus said, "Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and give unto God what is God's." It never said not giving taxes was a sin. That's the misunderstanding I thought might have been there. However, the bible does tell us to obey the laws of the land unless they counter God's law.

? quoting The Bible
13 And they sent to him some of the Pharisees and some of the Hero'di-ans, to entrap him in his talk. 14 And they came and said to him, "Teacher, we know that you are true, and care for no man; for you do not regard the position of men, but truly teach the way of God. Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar, or not? 15 Should we pay them, or should we not?" But knowing their hypocrisy, he said to them, "Why put me to the test? Bring me a coin, and let me look at it." 16 And they brought one. And he said to them, "Whose likeness and inscription is this?" They said to him, "Caesar's." 17 Jesus said to them, "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's." And they were amazed at him.




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Posted by pepper on Mon Sep 19th at 7:45pm 2005

Im sorry that i offended you again nickelplate, i shouldnt have put it so black-white. Its more a gray area, in the medievals it definately was used to control people. I have done some personal research to this. It was mostly bend by kings and there followers to become better, especialy the church got extremely rich when abusing the good faith of people that they would go to heaven if they would pay. Obviously the rulers of the country wanted there share of the wealth and became good friends.

Obviously it isnt used like that anymore on such a big scale in these days, people are independent and can form there own oppionon as how they want it to, obviously its still influenced by many factors, but not as much as back then.




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Posted by Crono on Mon Sep 19th at 8:20pm 2005

No, it was just an example. I don't know if that's literally happened. But how many versions have there been of many religious books over the eons? It wouldn't surprise me if a good deal of them reflected political attitude, or even, to a lesser impact, social norms.

And, I do know, that specifically the version of the bible my mom has, specifically depicts how women are suppose to keep themselves. So, that's along some of the same lines. (I don't know what version it is. I believe it has old and new testament or something, I don't know, I've never read it)

As for the whole "Jihad" and "infidels" thing, it is a inner struggle, as I understand it. However, most normal people over in middle eastern countries are very against the terrorist networks (and their ideologies). I mean ... they're the ones suffering the most.


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