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Posted by jake on Thu Sep 22nd at 4:28am 2005

Dah-ta (dah-tum) is the traditional and correct pronunciation (it's straight from the latin where day-ta would be spelled deta) but it will die out eventually because more people say day-ta and dah-ta is considered wrong or pedantic.

Ass: In England, the more upper-class (or pretentious) you are, the longer and more drawn out the "a" sound in words like bath and castle. Classless Americans wouldn't put up with that sort of thing and words like the above were given the short "a" treatment; quite right, too, in my opinion. I think that's what happened to the word arse - a terrible thing. I've no quibbles with American's using it, obviously, but it's becoming more prevalent in England and I fear it's spreading. :-(




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Posted by Nickelplate on Thu Sep 22nd at 4:44am 2005

To put the "data" thing to rest: the preferred pronunciation is "day-tuh," however Dot-uh and dah-tuh (like as in "dad") are also accepted.

Data is plural of the latin word "datum" which comes from the latin word dare (pronounced dah-ray) which means "to give" or "it is given," or "it gives."

lol, jake, ever since I got back from england and was used to using "cheers" a lot, Other people around me have started saying it.

Which reminds me so many people spell "a lot" as "alot"




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Posted by Cassius on Thu Sep 22nd at 4:56am 2005

How about this: the purpose of language is communication, and unless the speaker intends to achieve a certain style or tone, if you understand what he's saying, he can say it however he likes.




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Posted by jake on Thu Sep 22nd at 5:11am 2005

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Which reminds me so many people spell "a lot" as "alot"



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Posted by Windows 98 on Thu Sep 22nd at 5:12am 2005

All right is being turned into

iight



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Posted by BlisTer on Thu Sep 22nd at 5:19am 2005

i hear great language in Laguna Beach. highly entertaining by the way. Me and my bro have a bet going on on wether they are terrific actors or genuinely dumb pubers.


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Posted by Nickelplate on Thu Sep 22nd at 5:55am 2005

? quoting Cassius
How about this: the purpose of language is communication, and unless the speaker intends to achieve a certain style or tone, if you understand what he's saying, he can say it however he likes.

yeah, that's fine... if they don't care if thier style/tone is set to "idiotic."




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Posted by French Toast on Thu Sep 22nd at 11:33am 2005

The purpose of this thread isn't to understand people, we all can with these phrases we use, we're just sharing what bothers us <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif">

For me, it's teenage girls who say TTYL in real life.




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Posted by Pvt.Scythe on Thu Sep 22nd at 11:36am 2005

What does TTYL mean?



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Posted by French Toast on Thu Sep 22nd at 11:44am 2005

Talk to you later.




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Posted by Dark Tree on Thu Sep 22nd at 11:51am 2005

What the say:

own

Proper pronunciaction:

pone




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Posted by Underdog on Thu Sep 22nd at 12:01pm 2005

? quoting Cassius
How about this: the purpose of language is communication, and unless the speaker intends to achieve a certain style or tone, if you understand what he's saying, he can say it however he likes.

For good or ill, people judge you on the words/phrases you chose to employ. To a point I agree with you but, many people deliberately portray themselves as stupid and/or uneducated with their speech mannerisms. If they can live with that, more power to them but I am betting that given this bit of information they would rethink their choices.




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Posted by Myrk- on Thu Sep 22nd at 12:14pm 2005

Here in the UK South West, a lot of people say Narely instead of nearly (pronounced like a horse mare). Crazyness I tells ya!

Oh and for the record- ALUMINIUM! YOU FOOLISH AMERICANS! Why remove a letter eh?! WHY!




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Posted by Crono on Thu Sep 22nd at 12:35pm 2005

Yes, because this current generations of Americans removed the letter, and ALL letter differences from all other English words. It's a diabolical plan to form our own language.

I don't know. But, you have to admit, going by spelling rules a lot of spelling practices shouldn't exist.


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Posted by Loco on Thu Sep 22nd at 1:45pm 2005

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Yes, because this current generations of Americans removed the letter, and ALL letter differences from all other English words. It's a diabolical plan to form our own language.

I don't know. But, you have to admit, going by spelling rules a lot of spelling practices shouldn't exist.

Doughnut, donut.

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Posted by Underdog on Thu Sep 22nd at 1:51pm 2005

? quoting Windows 98
All right is being turned into

iight

Actually its more like "Ahh-ite"

Another one I dislike is "Yaller" roughly translates to the word color "Yellow" when asked to spell it.




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Posted by jake on Thu Sep 22nd at 1:57pm 2005

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Here in the UK South West, a lot of people say Narely instead of nearly (pronounced like a horse mare). Crazyness I tells ya!

That's just an accent, though, Myrk. Accents are wonderful and should be preserved. It's pronounced Nare-ly in Hull, too - in Bradford we say Nur-ly - In Burnley they say nurr-ly and in Liverpool it's nay-lee and we are all within a few miles of each other. It's great that you can tell where people come from by their vowel sounds, it allows for instant prejudice.

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Oh and for the record- ALUMINIUM! YOU FOOLISH AMERICANS! Why remove a letter eh?! WHY!

Well said, that man. A-LOO-min-um really jars on the ear. I think it's wilfulness on the part of the Americans, they stress the wrong syllables simply to annoy.

They do it with proper names, too.

Bernard (BURN-ud) becomes bu-NARD

Maurice/Morris (MORR-is) becomes mo-REESE

If they cant stress the wrong syllable then they do the next best thing - they bugger about with the vowels so that:

Basil (BA-zil) becomes Bay-zil

Cecil (CESS-il) becomes SEE-sil

Is COAL-in for Colin widespread or is it just Colin Powell? It's the only time Iv'e heard it pronounced like that but I can't think of another American called Colin

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But, you have to admit, going by spelling rules a lot of spelling practices shouldn't exist.

I think we should leave well alone and resist all attempts to reform spelling. Illogically spelled words account for only a minute fraction of one per-cent of the sum total. Mark Twain said it best.

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A Plan for the Improvement of English Spelling by Mark Twain

For example, in Year 1 that useless letter 'c' would be dropped to be replased either by 'k' or 's', and likewise 'x' would no longer be part of the alphabet. The only kase in which 'c' would be retained would be the 'ch' formation, which will be dealt with later.

Year 2 might reform 'w' spelling, so that 'which' and 'one' would take the same konsonant, wile Year 3 might well abolish 'y' replasing it with 'i' and Iear 4 might fiks the 'g/j' anomali wonse and for all.

Jenerally, then, the improvement would kontinue iear bai iear with Iear 5 doing awai with useless double konsonants, and Iears 6-12 or so modifaiing vowlz and the rimeining voist and unvoist konsonants.

Bai Iear 15 or sou, it wud fainali bi posibl tu meik ius ov thi ridandant letez 'c', 'y' and 'x' -- bai now jast a memori in the maindz ov ould doderez -- tu riplais 'ch', 'sh', and 'th' rispektivli.

Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld.





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Posted by BlisTer on Thu Sep 22nd at 1:59pm 2005

i always wondered, is resources pronounced [r?-sore-ses] or [rezore-ses].

The most funny case of mispronounciation is my prof economics who pronounced "break-even point" as "Breek-Evan point" like it were 2 guys or something.




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Posted by Gollum on Thu Sep 22nd at 2:02pm 2005

Purist pedants should learn to distinguish between a variety of language abuses. Mispronunciation (note the spelling!) is only one category. Ignorance may reveal itself in other entertaining ways:

  • Conflation of superficially similar words. In extreme cases, this leads to the disease known as malapropism which, though painful for the afflicted, provides much amusement to ghoulish observers. For example, do not say "I feel nauseous" unless you are sure that you have that effect on people. The word you are gagging for is nauseated.
  • Afflictions (or affectations) of style. The most common malady is to mistake cliche for style; in advanced stages of the illness, symptoms may become confused as the patient's metaphors begin to mix. Once metaphors mix in significant numbers, there is little hope for recovery since the disease has entered the emphatic system.
  • Degenerate sentence structure. This can usually be traced to childhood abuse; treatment requires a colonoscopy, or in less severe cases a semicolonoscopy may suffice.
  • Prolixity. Most heterosexual men are unaware of the function of the prolix, except in so far as it presents a cancer risk. Whilst prolix stimulation may heighten sexual enjoyment in some men, others describe the sensation as unpleasant or even painful. It has also been shown to dilute the creative output. Very few seminal works have benefited from prolixity, with the arguable exception of Joyce's Ulysses.





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Posted by jake on Thu Sep 22nd at 2:29pm 2005

? quoting Gollum
Purist pedants should learn to distinguish between a variety of language abuses. Mispronunciation (note the spelling!) is only one category. Ignorance may reveal itself in other entertaining ways:

  • Conflation of superficially similar words. In extreme cases, this leads to the disease known as malapropism which, though painful for the afflicted, provides much amusement to ghoulish observers. For example, do not say "I feel nauseous" unless you are sure that you have that effect on people. The word you are groping for is nauseated.
  • Afflictions (or affectations) of style. The most common malady is to mistake cliche for style; in advanced stages of the illness, symptoms may become confused as the patient's metaphors begin to mix. Once metaphors begin to mix in significant numbers, there is little hope for recovery since the disease has entered the emphatic system.
  • Degenerate sentence structure. This can usually be traced to childhood abuse; treatment requires a colonoscopy, or in less severe cases a semicolonoscopy may suffice.
  • Prolixity. Most heterosexual men are unaware of the function of the prolix, except in so far as it presents a cancer risk. Whilst prolix stimulation may heighten sexual enjoyment in some men, others describe the sensation as unpleasant or even painful. It has also been shown to dilute the creative output. Very few seminal works have benefited from excess prolixity, with the arguable exception of Joyce's Ullysses.


Is that your own, Gollum? It's very good. You reminded me of "mispronounciation" which I hear all the time - it drives me insane.






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