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Posted by Nickelplate on Fri Sep 23rd at 3:10am 2005


The school I work at brings up Mandatory school uniforms at every administrator's meeting. They say that it would dissolve all cliques in schools and would eliminate a lot of problems. Girls would not dress too slutty, and guys would not wear phallic imagery shirts.

Girls would wear a matching skirt of at least knee length and a white blouse.
Boys would wear black pants, black dress shoes and a white long-sleeve shirt.

I know what I think, but I am waiting til someone else says something.

Do you think that schools should implement a mandatory school uniform policy?




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Posted by Gaara on Fri Sep 23rd at 3:15am 2005


I wish my school didn't have mandatory uniforms, although I voted to have them because I'd hate to think how much money I'd spend on clothes if we didn't have mandatory uniforms.

If we didn't have mandatory uniforms I'd dress like an insane hoboe like I usually do when going out with a raggedy old Jim Beam shirt and hoboe-esque jacket and jeans.




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Posted by Nickelplate on Fri Sep 23rd at 3:28am 2005


I tihnk that school uniforms in public schools should be absolutely outlawed! They say that it will put the poor and rich kids on even ground, but it won't. The not-popular kids don't have freinds because so many of them don't wash and are social retards anyway. They wear dirty clothes, they smell or they are bodily or facially ugly. Putting them in a school uniform wil not make them hang out with Cliff Vanderbilt III, the quarterback.

Thier clothes will still be dirty, they will still stink, and they will still be ugly or nerdy or WHATEVER under the sun it was that made them unpopular in the first place. They STILL won't play sports and if they do they will probably not be any good at it.

Unfortunately, this is what young ppl look at when they determine who will be popular. they don't look at what is on the inside, they look at who is pretty or who can play sports the best or who drinks the most after school. The adults in our school districts think that all young people look at is clothes, but it goes much further than that.

Plus I hate the orwellian "big brother" thing going on with the school uniforms and everyone looking the same... c'mon, that's horrible some people need to express themselves!!!




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Posted by Crono on Fri Sep 23rd at 3:33am 2005


It depends on where the school is.

Something cloths usually implore is: first impressions. On the one hand, no one would make a bad first impression, since everyone's wearing the same thing. But then again, you may not become friends with the same people, since, honestly, when you meet people, you get a certain opinion of them just by seeing their taste in clothes.

Also, in the argument of "slutty" girl outfits ... make cheerleader skirts different, which are mandatory if you're one of them, before you start talking about the rest of the population. Not to mention, some people just hate those kinds of clothes. Many girls despise skirts. And, that kind of re-inforces a segregation of sorts.

So, there are good points and bad ones. But, uniforms will not fix problems like they're talking about. It'd be a better idea to just have "dress codes", which most all schools have anyway. I remember some were like, no mid-drifts or something for women ... men didn't do it anyway. Skirts cannot be too short. Little things like that, and if you disobeyed the dress code stuff, you got suspended. Or better yet, detention.



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Posted by Nickelplate on Fri Sep 23rd at 3:38am 2005


YEah, it just seemed to me that the popular people when iwas in HS were always the rich ones anyway: the ones who washed thier clothes properly and who would look the most presentable anyway, thus ruining the first impression tihng. Plus the non-popular kids, even if they DID take good care of thier uniforms, they would still nto take care of thier bodies, and have stick-up hair or whatever it is that ppl made fun of them for.


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Posted by Cash Car Star on Fri Sep 23rd at 6:27am 2005


Do you really have a problem with guys wearing "phallic imagery shirts"?



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Posted by Gaara on Fri Sep 23rd at 8:18am 2005


? quoting Cash Car Star
Do you really have a problem with guys wearing "phallic imagery shirts"?

Yeah that's pretty gay.

Anyway I don't wear our uniform more than once a week cause all you get if you don't wear it is a "uniform slip". A peice of paper. No other consequences.




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Posted by fraggard on Fri Sep 23rd at 11:47am 2005


I was in a school that enforced uniforms. We had to wear the same Navy-Blue/White outfit every single day (except saturdays, when it was all white). I can tell you, from experience, that uniforms do not solve anything. Students from more affluent backgrounds who want to show off will still find ways to do so.

The problem, IMO, is that people want to segregate. Uniformity does not come naturally. In any group people will try and be different from each other. In large groups cliques will always be formed, on one basis or another. Sometimes, the groups are just like-minded people. Sometimes, it's still the money. Like the Cool Dudes With Esprit Watches Gang, or somesuch.

One good thing about uniforms: you can never match the sight of a whole bunch of school students, all dressed alike, marching together for a school parade. The only thing to beat that sight is to be part of it.

I voted No.




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Posted by fishy on Fri Sep 23rd at 12:00pm 2005


i voted no, but i'd still agree with some sort of dress code.




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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Fri Sep 23rd at 12:41pm 2005


I voted No.

I went to a school where during the weekdays the guys couldn't wear blue jeans and had to wear a collared shirt of some kind. Girls couldn't wear skirts shorter than their fingertips when standing up with their hands by their sides, and they couldn't wear tank tops but other than that it was harder to enforce the girls dress code.

Personally, it felt nice to get up in the morning and put on a nice button down shirt and go to class. And the weekends let me dress however I wanted (it was a boarding school so everyone was hanging out on weekends). I thought it was a really good system. My school was thinking about bringing about a dress code like you suggested except the guys would have to wear jackets and ties all the time. I think that's going a little overboard. While the school certainly looks nicer from an exterior perspective I just think it would attract a different sort of person, and I'm not one to choose a school with a strict mandatory dress code over one with a more relaxed dress code.

Social segregation will never go away, it will just take kids a little longer to figure out who they want to hang out with. Although -- clothes never really dictated who I hung out with anyway.




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Posted by Nickelplate on Fri Sep 23rd at 1:04pm 2005


? quoting Cash Car Star
Do you really have a problem with guys wearing "phallic imagery shirts"?

Seeing guys with shirts that say "hank's Weiner stand - 'Straight up!'" and "Steel Erection Company - 'whatever it is, we'll get it up!'" that stuff is old now, and teachers and other faculty here don't like it. I don't really care one way or another except that it's passe now.

This is not a private school either. It's the ONLY school within it's district and its a PUBLIC school. But, yeah, if kids want to segregate they will always find SOMETHING to do to show off. like Doc marten's shoes instead of Wal-Mart brand or something. It's just a dummo idea IMO.




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Posted by keved on Fri Sep 23rd at 1:05pm 2005


I voted yes.

When I was in school ("school" here in the UK being up to 16 years old) we had to wear black uniforms while another local school had to wear blue. At least with uniforms we could see who is on whos side in mass brawls between our rival schools. <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif">





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Posted by ReNo on Fri Sep 23rd at 1:24pm 2005


Hehe

My school didn't have a strict uniform, but we did have a dress code. Years 1-5 would wear red or white polo shirts or white shirts, with black trousers or skirts. Ties were optional, and if you wore one it was a red and black diagonally striped one. Once you are in 6th year you have the option of becoming a prefect, but it was pretty much standard to do so. If you did then you had to wear a white shirt, black trousers or skirt, and a red tie with the school logo. I'm quite glad we had the dress code - it did make things a bit easier in the mornings and it does make you feel more like you are there to work, not just socialise.






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Posted by Underdog on Fri Sep 23rd at 1:39pm 2005


I voted yes. My reasons are my own. I am considered somewhat old fashioned when it comes to children so you really do not want to hear my reasons I am sure. Imagine all the old concepts about children's rights and you probably have my viewpoint. Seen and not heard is definitely among them.




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Posted by Nickelplate on Fri Sep 23rd at 1:44pm 2005


you're right, children sohuld be seen , not heard and NOT spoiled or raised by the TV. Here's what I say: seen and not heard, but still nurtured."

the whole thing comes from women having too much choice in things, if they hadn't been all "liberated" and going out for full-time jobs, they would still be at home where they belong, doing women's work and raising children. That's what it supposed to happen.

I'm serious.




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Posted by Andrei on Fri Sep 23rd at 2:01pm 2005


Mandatory school uniforms? Maybe I don't feel like having someone's personal tastes imposed on myself. Nazis.
A stricter dress code would be much better.

And I think kids are such spoiled brats because parents are afraid to beat the crap out of them when they step out of line. Kids nowadays think they can get away with anything and will probably end-up being horse-thieves.

And Attention Deficit Disorder is bulls**t; just a fancy term to hide the fact that your kid is a lazy spoiled douche.






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Posted by French Toast on Fri Sep 23rd at 2:21pm 2005


I voted no. And Andrei, it really isn't. I have Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disorder, I've been tested and s**t like that, and my teachers don't like it <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/sad.gif">

Anyhoo, I vote no, my school has a dress code, but all it says is no gang shirts, be completely covered etc.

I usually just wear what is comfortable. That involves 1. jeans 2. a shirt

I can't imagine having to wear some constricting uniform that cuts circulation.

I don't believe in no uniforms so that I can "make a statement with my clothes" like some winy emo kid, but I want to be comfortable.




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Posted by Underdog on Fri Sep 23rd at 2:31pm 2005


ADHD is real. The problem lies in its diagnosis. Most are inaccurate to say the least.

I am not privy to the numbers, but I am betting that 90% of the kids currently diagnosed with this are just hyperactive, or spoiled. I believe this based on my own observations of current parenting skills. If I err, then blame it on my observational habits of noticing bad parenting.




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Posted by Nickelplate on Fri Sep 23rd at 2:58pm 2005


? quoting Andrei
Mandatory school uniforms? Maybe I don't feel like having someone's personal tastes imposed on myself. Nazis.
A stricter dress code would be much better.

And I think kids are such spoiled brats because parents are afraid to beat the crap out of them when they step out of line. Kids nowadays think they can get away with anything and will probably end-up being horse-thieves.

And Attention Deficit Disorder is bulls**t; just a fancy term to hide the fact that your kid is a lazy spoiled douche.


HEAR HEAR!!!

The bible says: Proverbs 13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

Now, sinc parents are only 16 years old, they remember not liking being swatted, so they don't do it to thier kids. Plus Dr. Spock says not to spank kids cause it'll warp thier personalities.




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Posted by Underdog on Fri Sep 23rd at 3:32pm 2005


? quoting Andrei
Mandatory school uniforms? Maybe I don't feel like having someone's personal tastes imposed on myself. Nazis.
A stricter dress code would be much better.

What exactly is the difference between a uniform dress, and a stricter dress code? Both are imposing a certain viewpoint on an otherwise unwilling subject. If someone can so candidly throw around the word "Nazi" Perhaps they could define the two in such a way to make it understandable for those of us whom do not like the term used at all.

and,

don get me started on Doc Spock.




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