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Posted by Andrei on Fri Sep 23rd at 4:05pm 2005

? quoting Underdog:

What exactly is the difference between a uniform dress, and a stricter dress code? Both are imposing a certain viewpoint on an otherwise unwilling subject.



Yes and no.

The difference is that, with a dress code, you can still dress however you like as long as you don't cross a certain line. Now how liberal the dress code is can vary from school to school or even from country to country. True, if the dress code is very strict then there's not a big difference between it and mandatory uniforms. On the other hand, if you make uniforms compulsory, you ALL wear the same uniform and that's it. There's no way around it, no way the rules can be dodged...unlike with a dress code (which can be interpreted differently).

As for nazi, it's a generic term I use for someone who imposes something (like a rule) on the masses without consulting them. I guess the term is out of place but i'm edgy today so please forgive me if you're offended or anything.




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Posted by Loco on Fri Sep 23rd at 5:01pm 2005

My school tried out non-uniform for lessons after sports, and all that happened was people felt so relaxed they didn't work as hard as they did when they wore uniform, so the idea was scrapped. To be honest, I'm not fussed if the uniform isn't too wacky.



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Posted by Hugh on Fri Sep 23rd at 9:00pm 2005

I think schoolgirl outfits are hot, but I'm not sure it'd be worth it if I had to wear some ridiculous getup every day... strict dress code's fine, mandatory uniforms are stupid.


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Posted by omegaslayer on Fri Sep 23rd at 9:22pm 2005

I think they should have a certain dress code. Like no belly buttons! Granted they are nice to look at, but for the hormone surging teens that are around them, it will be extremely distracting.



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Posted by Nickelplate on Fri Sep 23rd at 11:05pm 2005

YEah, belly buttons are BAD. I live in america, and we've already established that there ar LOTS of fatties over here... /me shudders...


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Posted by BlisTer on Sat Sep 24th at 12:55am 2005

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you're right, children sohuld be seen , not heard and NOT spoiled or raised by the TV. Here's what I say: seen and not heard, but still nurtured."

the whole thing comes from women having too much choice in things, if they hadn't been all "liberated" and going out for full-time jobs, they would still be at home where they belong, doing women's work and raising children. That's what it supposed to happen.

I'm serious.



omg

i agree that children should not be spoiled, but moms that stay at home can just as much spoil their children.



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Posted by Foxpup on Sat Sep 24th at 5:03am 2005

My school is wierd. We have mandatory uniforms, but they can suspend you for wearing them outside of school (although it's never actually happened, for obvious reasons).


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Posted by Hugh on Sat Sep 24th at 6:05am 2005

That's cool, your school has the same dress code as Hooters. <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif">


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Posted by Nickelplate on Sat Sep 24th at 6:34am 2005

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omg


i agree that children should not be spoiled, but moms that stay at home can just as much spoil their children.

The thing is, if the mom is home with the kids, making them do chores or something, the kids will stay out of a lot of trouble that they would normally get into.
If a kid's helping mom do the dishes and is busy being seen and not heard, he's not getting in trouble. Also, if mom's at home, she can watch the kid at play with his freinds. she can be sitting on the porch mending my work-shirts while kiddo and his pals are playing around in the yard.
you're probably thinking, "why does mom have to hover over the kids all the time, they can never have any fun!!" But then you have to think, where are kids getting thier Idea of what's fun? And if they had been raised better, they would know that you can have just as much fun playing hide-and-seek with your freinds as you can when you're trying to replicate "Jackass" stunts and hurting people (or yourself).


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Posted by Gaara on Sat Sep 24th at 7:11am 2005

There are totally different levels of uniforms. I went to this private school and you had to wear EVERYTHING in the uniform list (well except underwear) which sucked. At the public school I go to now it's just the one shirt you have to wear, and there are 4 to choose from, 2 designed by students.




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Posted by Cash Car Star on Sat Sep 24th at 8:04am 2005

I went to a high school with a dress code. Many people there did some bitching about the code, but really the only problem I had with it was that "official dress code clothes" could only be purchased from one local business. Considering the dress code was pretty much navy/gray pants, white oxford shirt, tie, navy/gray jacket for guys, it seemed a little ridiculous to have the market monopolized. And they were produced so cheaply too. Nearly every guy had a jacket rip on him at school sometime.

Boo exclusive contracts, yay free market.





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Posted by G4MER on Sat Sep 24th at 8:42am 2005

I voted no.. I mean I understand why, and if they are going to have them, then the school system needs to pay for them. This is public School, and it is free to go there, requiruing students to wear uniforms should not cost the parents anything... now if I was sending my kids to a private school then I would understand paying for a school uniform. But at a free public school, no they should not have them unless the school system pays for them.



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Posted by Andrei on Sat Sep 24th at 9:29am 2005

Well, the bottom line is that most have voted against mandatory uniforms. The people have spoken. <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">




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Posted by BlisTer on Sat Sep 24th at 3:28pm 2005

? quote:


you're probably thinking, "why does mom have to hover over the kids all the time, they can never have any fun!!"


no i'm not. and you're not giving an answer.

i just don't understand how one can defend Freedom with capital F, yet deny freedom for 50% of the population, saying they belong at home, saying they shouldn't be able to choose how to live their life. Such opinions are considered extremely right-wing here.



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Posted by Nickelplate on Sun Sep 25th at 1:49am 2005

I'm extremely right-wing... here.

but in all seriousness, ONE parent needs to stay home of thier own volition if there's kids. they can't be taught by the TV, because TV is a sex/violence/cussword box. And no kid wants to watch Barney when he can figure out dad's passcode and watch "debbie does dallas."




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Posted by Cash Car Star on Sun Sep 25th at 9:38am 2005

I'm so glad I don't know you in real life. I'd probably shout at you a lot. Your brief post is filled with so many over-simplifications, unsupported assumptions and generlizations that someone could write a thesis discussing them.



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Posted by Loco on Sun Sep 25th at 10:09am 2005

Well, I'm going to really stick my neck out here and support Nickelplate. In my phenomenally limited experience, over here in the UK the concept of uniform tends to be associated with some level of order/control over the school pupils by the school, which is generally considered to be a good thing. Generally speaking (very generally), the public tend to feel more intimidated by a bunch of youths in casuals (complete with baseball caps) than those in school uniform. The uniform associates that person with a school, which makes them easy to identify and gives a sense of the school having some control. It's only really necessary due to the "yob culture" that seems to be cropping up everywhere in the UK now.

As for Nickel's view about parents, I'm not sure I'd go quite as far, but again with the yob culture it seems that those who don't have a parent staying at home (not necessarily their mother - could be their father) tend to be associated with being sat in front of the television with a diet of fish and chips every evening, and very few whole-family meals. This is often considered to be a bad upbringing which results in all sorts of things.

So I agree with Nickel - perhaps to not quite such an extent and for different reasons. Bear in mind I'm talking about the UK here, rather than the US.



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Posted by rival on Sun Sep 25th at 3:28pm 2005

what is the point? you cant wear a school uniform outside school, or you would just look pretty gay, and that means you have spend money on school clothes and other clothes.
of course, one of the troubles of childhood, i am forced to at least wear the colour code. but i just rebel and wear a black smirnoff shirt and black jeans. so far i havent had any of the threatened 'detentions' the school promised.
as well. all popular kids either follow my route of outfit or just wear what they want. you can instantly recognized a nerd or a first year by their uniform. so it infact enforced social segregation in my school.


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Posted by Loco on Sun Sep 25th at 4:55pm 2005

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you cant wear a school uniform outside school, or you would just look pretty gay, and that means you have spend money on school clothes and other clothes.
Hmmm... not sure I agree on that point entirely. The principle of school uniform isn't based on money. In terms of looking "pretty gay", if you have enough people wearing uniform, suddenly it becomes the norm. Over here wearing uniform outside school isn't forbidden, and people often are walking quite a distance to/from school. The whole point of having a load of youths who are looking "pretty gay" is that it stops them from doing anything stupid - like throwing bricks at trains. It gives them and identity as part of a school, effectively branding them in big red letters "I am from school X - if I've done anything idiotic you will be able to trace me". The other thing is, not all uniform does look "pretty gay". My school uniform for example, is any shirt, blazer, tie, and grey trousers. It's actually quite smart, and whilst it identifies you as part of the school, it doesn't make you look "gay".

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all popular kids either follow my route of outfit or just wear what they want. you can instantly recognized a nerd or a first year by their uniform
This is nothing personal, but often particularly "popular kids" are also trouble makers in the UK's new "yob-culture". Subsequently, forcing them to become one of the crowd and not desperately seek attention through wearing whatever clothing is very much a good thing.

Finally, in terms of social segregation, here it would be very unusual to have third formers mixing with sixth formers for example. There is a natural social hierachy anyway, so it's not actually a problem in the slightest. Everybody has to wear the same thing anyway, one of the bonuses of having uniform rather than a dress code.

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Posted by Y2kBen_2000 on Sun Sep 25th at 5:14pm 2005

Yea, although much of Texas schools don't have a uniforms (excludeing private of coarse), many schools are implementing stricter dress codes and dress code violations.

I mean like some Dallas schools, for instance, have implemented stricter dress codes that are too strict. They suspend people with very little reason. I saw on the news how one school suspended people because there shirts accedentally came untucked. The students were in the middle of fixing them, and bam, suspension. That's just not fair.

I don't know if it's still inforced t that matter, but I do know that a while back hundreds of parents were protesting the schools policies on the dress code.

(out of context)Boy, I sure am glad that I am out of school now, before that policy hit Prosper, Texas.



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