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Posted by wil5on on Tue Oct 11th at 7:19am 2005

A single hostage is unlikely to work well, particularly with a large number of players. Maybe you should stick to VIPs, or have 3-4 crash survivors.




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Posted by Andrei on Tue Oct 11th at 10:00am 2005

If I see one more Black Hawk Down ANYTHING i'm going to chuck my monitor out the window!!!
Can't you think of anything else, anything at all?!




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Posted by Wild Card on Tue Oct 11th at 10:05am 2005

Yea I can. But like I said, the current one on CS just sucks so much ass that I have to do something about it.




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Posted by G4MER on Tue Oct 11th at 12:56pm 2005

Make sure to send us pictures of your tossing, and smashed monitor.




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Posted by Wild Card on Tue Oct 11th at 3:10pm 2005

Is it possible within CS Source to trigger a major event as random? I'd like to have the CTs having to capture VIPs (AKA rescue hostages) within the target building. And from time to time, Black Hawk would get shot down and crash land at another area. This would add another hostage to the game and make the strategy different.

Sort of like in cs_havana I think, the green and red doors open and close and the window opens and closes.. all different each time the level loads.

Sorry if Im not making any sense lol..




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Posted by Wild Card on Tue Oct 11th at 6:12pm 2005

Ok, this is the idea I have so far:

Most CTs will start all in one group in a building somewhere in the city. There will be two CT spawn points in a Black Hawk helicoptor circling over the city. These two CTs will be equiped with a scout and an M4.

Half of the Terrorist force will start in the target building which contains the VIPs the CTs must capture (AKA, the hostages the CTs must rescue). The other half of the spawn points will be spread throughout the level, inside buildings and on rooftops.

Now, if this is possible to do:
Each time the level is restarted, there runs the chance of a Black Hawk helicopter getting shot down. If this is the case, that will add another hostage to the level at the crash site which is located further away. At this point, the hovering Black Hawk will set down near the crashed bird and the two CTs will disembark and secure the hostage. The layout is made so that the Terrorists will have quicker access to the crashed Black Hawk than the CTs will.




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Posted by FatStrings on Tue Oct 11th at 6:40pm 2005

will the helicopter have a mounted gun on it

and you should put a couple LAW's down so the terrorists can just knock the hawk down themselves

or have LAW's as a by option





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Posted by Wild Card on Tue Oct 11th at 7:03pm 2005

Umm.. this is Counter Strike. Not DoD or whatever. The Black Hawk will likely be a func_train or whatever the HL2 equivalent is, on a predetermined path. Terrorists will have to snipe the CTs inside the helicopter. Or I might set it to "blow up" if it takes a certain amount of damage.




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Posted by FatStrings on Tue Oct 11th at 7:11pm 2005

LAW's were on condition zero so couldnt you put them on source too



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Posted by Andrei on Tue Oct 11th at 8:51pm 2005

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Or I might set it to "blow up" if it takes a certain amount of damage.


Wouldn't that complicate your work? I'm not talking about the way the thing will break but of the fact that a helicopter, when taking damage, tends to pitch and jerk, not fly in a straight line like a target drone.

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LAW's were on condition zero so couldnt you put them on source too


I think he wants to make a map for CSS, not an entire mod. :P




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Posted by FatStrings on Wed Oct 12th at 1:17am 2005

i dont really know a lot about mapping so sorry if something i say is nearly or completely impossible to do





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Posted by G4MER on Wed Oct 12th at 1:25am 2005

Well Wild card, I think instead oh having the helio fly, you should have it load in 2-3 different places with the hostages.. that way the CT's going in would have to look at 2-3 different crash sites to rescue, it would also make certian areas of the map your conflict areas. You could also have one hostage always load in one area near the Terrorist spawn.. like he is a seperated team member thats trapped behind enemy lines.

And if you want a helio to fly, just have it a triggerd effect and not really part of the game. there is a CS map out there that has a couple blackhawks landing on a roof and a couple that fly by.. it looks really cool.. its like a tower map. I'll look for it and send you a link.




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Posted by Wild Card on Wed Oct 12th at 2:26am 2005

If you go into Source, and browse Internet servers... sort by maps and you'll find a few servers running the Black Hawk Down map. Its a fairly cheasy map, which has no purpose other than deathmatch. There is a crashed Black Hawk in the center of the map, and on a roof top, another one which can be driven just like the trains in Half Life 1. Although the design of the helicopter isnt so good and the fact that there are no sounds of effects... You can tell the map was made purely for gameplay, and none so for the visuals.

Your idea of having 2 or 3 different possible crash sites could be promissing (I still prefer my idea) but the only problem I see with your idea is that it could make the level a little big, unless the crash sites are within proximity to each other.

FatStrings, no worries mate <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif"> I havent been around here for a long time, so I dont know who's who anymore, I assumed you were a seasoned mapper.

Im making the map for a server I play on, which enforces objectives. Therefore, in this map, the objective is to rescue the hostages. So even though it could be a DM-style level, the server it will be (hopefully) hosted on, has strict playing rules.




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Posted by FatStrings on Wed Oct 12th at 2:32am 2005

still it would be cool to have like 3 vips at the crash site and you have to rescue them




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Posted by Wild Card on Wed Oct 12th at 3:06am 2005

Well there will be hostages at a crash site, or just one. Or something. I havent quite figured it out yet. Im still debating the options




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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Wed Oct 12th at 3:27am 2005

Someone already voiced their concern about hostages... but you need to have more than 1. There's really no motivation to rescue the hostage since they don't get much money from 1. Also -- the terrorists could easily kill the hostage at the beginning of the round and turn it into a camp fest. People are more hesitant to kill 4 hostages (or even 3) compared to just 1.




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Posted by G4MER on Wed Oct 12th at 7:12am 2005

Hey Wild Card take a look at de_xcom.. it has some great effects with Blackhawks.

Morphine has a point, you need to have 3-4 hostages. I still think you can have 3 at one place and 1 in another, just to make it more of a challenge.

The way I was going to do a VIP mission was to have 2 hostages start at the CT spawn point, or near by. Then have the CT's escourt the Hostages across the map to the exit point. One way you can keep the Terrorist on their toes is by starting them in 2-3 spots, and have 2-3 exits points.. so they will have to engage you or lose.

how does that work with your map? Well you could have some CT's start on the edge of the map.. and have some start with the crashed helio, with a couple of the hostages, and have a couple other hostages near by that need to be rescued, this way you have to get out of the area, and the guys on the edge need to come in and help get their team mates out as well as the hostages. Would be a new concept in hostage rescue maps.




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Posted by rs6 on Wed Oct 12th at 7:53pm 2005

I was thinking....this map may turn out better if it was made in battlefield 2.



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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Wed Oct 12th at 8:24pm 2005

Moneyshot, thats a great idea!

What about the 600 dollars CT's get by touching the hossies every round?




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Posted by G4MER on Thu Oct 13th at 4:03am 2005

Humm.. yeah that could be a problem.. maybe there is a way to only pay out for the rescue and not the grabbing.. maybe a setting you have to adjust.





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