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Re: Civilization IV
Posted by 7dk2h4md720ih on Tue Oct 25th at 1:24am 2005


Anyone else picking this up? They really dropped the ball with Civ3, but let's forget about that. I'm pre-ordering a copy tomorrow against my better judgement. College and work will become distant memories.

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Civilization is one of those games that had the unfortunate luck of being pretty much perfect the first time around. Unfortunate because it means that the developers didn?t really have much else to do for any of the sequels. Not until number three anyway, at which point they almost ruined everything by overcomplicating it.

In a nod to the graphical ability of modern day PCs the graphics have been upgraded all the way from rubbish to okay-ish. Actually, the 3D effect as you zoom out to a view of the whole globe is quite nice but otherwise this is not going to be giving Doom 3 any sleepless nights.

The far more important changes are to the gameplay which has had all the overcomplicated elements from Civ III ripped out and, most interestingly, many of the features from the original that had been considered sacrosanct. City riots and rebellions are now extremely rare and other tedious elements such as pollution have been removed. This all adds up to a tighter, faster paced game that doesn?t get bogged down once you get a lot of cities up and running.

A new team-based online modes attempts to add a similar injection of speed to the multiplayer ? although whether that will prove as successful remains to be seen. More promising is a greater emphasis on religion in the game, as well as great people from history that can help morale, combat or research and sometimes all three. With strategy games becoming ever rarer Civ IV looks like it could finally make them, if not fashionable, at least popular again. -- Harrison Dent







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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Tue Oct 25th at 2:24am 2005


Nice! I'll go for it if I ever have time... I love RTS games, but there are so few good ones!


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Posted by Yak_Fighter on Tue Oct 25th at 2:33am 2005


I love RTS games too unfortunately Civ4 is not an RTS game...

I wanted to get this but I'm too worried that its going to be a waste of money... Civ3 was just so painful.




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Posted by Campaignjunkie on Tue Oct 25th at 3:33am 2005


Normally I would have rushed out to place a preorder, but Civ3 left me cautious. I'm waiting for more reviews. But man, it looks pretty tasty. (No more city riots and pollution?! NOOOOOO!!)




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Posted by Hugh on Tue Oct 25th at 5:57am 2005


I didn't mind Civ 3 myself, but yeah, still prefer the first...




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Posted by Gaara on Tue Oct 25th at 11:08am 2005


Not getting because I dont like RTS.

The only reason I don't like RTS's are my friends wail on me and kick my ass in them when we play LAN (2 of them are in the top 20 in the world for Archer Wars in AOE). Plus the games can go on for hours.




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Posted by ReNo on Tue Oct 25th at 11:48am 2005


Civ isn't an RTS, it's turn based. Which basically means it takes even longer <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif">






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Posted by BlisTer on Tue Oct 25th at 12:21pm 2005


indeed it's TBS. that's my favourite strategy game mode, really allows for think ahead strategy. Most RTS can be won by being ultra fast and rushing out a big army. Ideal is a mix of both so that you can lay out your srategy in TBS and fight battles in RTS (games like: Lords of the Realm, the Total War series, etc).

i didnt dislike Civ3 either. I'm glad they're taking care of polution now though. I'm really getting Civ4.




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Posted by MisterBister on Tue Oct 25th at 1:09pm 2005


What i think is cool about Civ 4 is the multiplayer support that makes it possible for every player to make their move at the same time.
Instead of forcing everyone to wait for one of the players to make his move before the next one can do his, and so on.

The other thing that i think is great about Civ 4 is that this is my real chance to look into the deep of the game since i was too young to understand CIV 1-3.

I really like playing "slow" strategy games at LAN as long as everyone is enthusiastic about it. Since its turn based, everyone has time to consider their moves and the social game is alot more fun. People create alliances, stab eachothers back, terrorbalance is created and so on.
Me and my friends have played age of mythology alot and despite its a TBS it usually takes no more than a few hours to complete.




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Posted by Mephs on Tue Oct 25th at 4:27pm 2005


Civilisation 2 Gold was quite cool. I spent WAAAAY too much time playing that a while back. Might give it another download. Second only to Tetris for addictiveness. <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif">




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Posted by mazemaster on Wed Oct 26th at 1:13am 2005


Wasn't AoM a RTS??





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Posted by Underdog on Wed Oct 26th at 2:18am 2005


All I can say is, they will have one hell of a time beating Civ II IMO.

I have been a HL fan since it came out but I actually "played" Civ II for almost 3 years. I mean, I actually played it for that long. No other game captured my attention for so long.

I nearly cried when I played Civ III the first time. It wasn't horrible in all honesty but, It had none of the allure of its predecessor.

I trust you guys... (mostly) ...and I am short of cash this time of year so I think I will await your reviews before I buy.




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Posted by Mephs on Wed Oct 26th at 2:34am 2005


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All I can say is, they will have one hell of a time beating Civ II IMO.


I've been playing it again today... (I'm focusing my attentions kicking Greece's ass)




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Posted by Forceflow on Wed Oct 26th at 6:03am 2005


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Wasn't AoM a RTS??


Age Of Mythology was RTS, yes.



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Posted by Biological Component on Wed Oct 26th at 10:33am 2005


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Posted by Underdog on Wed Oct 26th at 2:11pm 2005


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City riots and rebellions are now extremely rare and other tedious elements such as pollution have been removed. This all adds up to a tighter, faster paced game that doesn?t get bogged down once you get a lot of cities up and running.

I actually liked this feature. It was a great indicator that you were doing well or poorly. Once you had upward of 20-30 cities it got hard to micro manage them and some cites slipped by me. If one popped up with pollution, I knew that I had neglected it for to long.

I hope they left enough of these tediums in to keep my interest.




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Posted by FatStrings on Wed Oct 26th at 3:25pm 2005


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never heard of it





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Posted by Underdog on Wed Oct 26th at 4:03pm 2005


Basically AC picks up where Civ II leaves off if you go the "Space Ship" ending.

AC was OK, but nothing to brag about. It was over hyped IMO. About like "Brood Wars" was.




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Posted by FatStrings on Wed Oct 26th at 4:20pm 2005


ahh i see

meh i found brood war to be quite fun, for a while





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Posted by Biological Component on Wed Oct 26th at 8:12pm 2005


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How- What! Im at a loss...

You've never heard of Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri?!!!

What are you doing on a Civilization thread if you don't know Alpha Centauri...





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