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Re: U.S. Passport
Posted by satchmo on Thu Oct 27th at 8:41pm 2005


The U.S. government is working on yet another way to intrude the lives of its citizens.

All new passports issued after October 2006 will be equipped with a chip.

Next thing you know, the government will own all of our first borns.




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Posted by ZombieLoffe on Thu Oct 27th at 8:44pm 2005


*Shrug* - Dark times ahead for living free.
But then again, didn't we all see this coming?



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Posted by Underdog on Thu Oct 27th at 8:57pm 2005


I have noticed that the people whom cry the loudest about their rights being abused are often the ones whom need their rights abused.

Have you never noticed how criminals always cry about "fair"?

I am not accusing anyone here, (although I bet there are a few who need scrutinized, its just statistically impossible to have 2,000 law abiding members) but I have always believed that only those with something to hide need worry. The other day when I mentioned the DNA sample being taken in the future for Drivers licenses, I am 100% in support of such an action. Its no more intrusive than putting up cameras at traffic lights to solve who hit whom in an accident.

I may be an over optimistic fool, but I see absolutely nothing wrong with any of this.




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Posted by Biological Component on Thu Oct 27th at 9:17pm 2005


Did he say...

image"CHIP"?!!!!!!!!!!!
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We are surely now doomed for all eternity to the most foul and hideous existence mankind can conceive.




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Posted by Dark_Kilauea on Thu Oct 27th at 9:20pm 2005


How is the infomation on your card any different than the same infomation on a chip? I just see this as a faster way to get though airports. Only quarrel I have is if it's not encripted.



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Posted by Mephs on Thu Oct 27th at 9:24pm 2005


? quote:
I have noticed that the people whom cry the loudest about their rights being abused are often the ones whom need their rights abused.


Yeah, but the one's who don't are boring...

I love that great american mindset at the minute. If you aren't pro government you're a terrorist, yada yada... I'd be afraid to live in a country where questioning authority automatically makes you a bogeyman. Hope it works out for you though Underdog...




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Posted by Crapceeper on Thu Oct 27th at 9:29pm 2005


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I may be an over optimistic fool, but I see absolutely nothing wrong with any of this.


I guess it becomes critical when the government not only use cameras and stuff for solving who hit whom but to spy on people and stuff. Giving the feeling of being controlled by a greater power (which is not driven by ethnic feelings) and more and more getting supressed.

/me shrugs



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Posted by Crono on Thu Oct 27th at 9:33pm 2005


But, you don't mind corporations requiring you to have an RFID id card, which is not lined with material to stop radio waves anywhere?


Blame it on Microsoft, God does.



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Posted by ZombieLoffe on Thu Oct 27th at 9:35pm 2005


Well, only showing the information in the passport in that chip wouldn't infringe on anything on your personal rights. But I see it as kind of a gateway for much heavier control to be instated - "hey, since there's already a chip in my passport, it wont matter if they add a tracking device, right".
I might be a conspiracy nut, or whatnot, but I'd rather be overly critical and paranoid against the ruling elite than risk having every one of my steps monitored.



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Posted by coge balas on Thu Oct 27th at 9:40pm 2005


The idea that humans have a divine, unalienable right to complete freedom is pure hogwash. A society's responsibility to provide freedom is for one purpose: maximizing human happiness.

Having chips in and of itself is a violation of nothing. The real question should be: what do these chips do? How are they used?

According to the article, the chips hold your "name, nationality, gender, date of birth, and place of birth of the passport holder, as well as a digitized photograph of that person."

So, this seems like a passive, digitized version of what is already on the passport, but with more security. Sounds good to me.





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Posted by Crono on Thu Oct 27th at 9:41pm 2005


How exactly could they track you they could track the passport. Even that is 'iffy', since GPS isn't terribly accurate. (The best results you can get, with the best transmitters, in the best location on Earth is within about 2 meters or so)

Let me ask you though ... why have a cell phone? That's easily track-able and is more likely to be with you than your passport. Of course, like anything else, they have to have justification.

If you're not alive later to do something about your rights then ... well ... you did something that most people don't do <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_wink.gif">

Everyone also forgets that if EVERYONE had this, they wouldn't be able to filter all the information, if you weren't doing something incredibly illegal they wouldn't give two s**ts about you.



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Posted by Underdog on Thu Oct 27th at 10:23pm 2005


Serious abuse of any invention is easily identifiable. After all, citizens do it every day,one only needs to look as far as their own cell phone to see one. But again I say, only someone guilty of something complains when their "rights" have been infringed in most cases.

If you fear someone scrutinizing you to closely, don't scratch your ass in public.




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Posted by satchmo on Thu Oct 27th at 10:58pm 2005


Whatever information on paper is easily identifiable, but with the eletronic format, it's easier to hide additional information about a person.

For example, they can code party membership into the passport. They can code ethnicity, or HIV status, or sexual orientation. The possibility is endless.

And don't say that the government won't, because if you read what the Secret Service did to inkjet papers, you would believe that coding other info into the passport wouldn't be too far fetched.

And pretty soon, homosexuals won't be able to get hired and HIV positive individuals will lose the right to bear children. It's a slippery slope.




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Posted by Underdog on Thu Oct 27th at 11:12pm 2005


? quoting satchmo
And pretty soon, homosexuals won't be able to get hired and HIV positive individuals will lose the right to bear children. It's a slippery slope.

Its not wise to mention topics of this nature unless you personally are prepared for the outcome.

Sometimes I get the impression that you like doing this.




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Posted by satchmo on Thu Oct 27th at 11:19pm 2005


Eminem is my idol. Does that tell you something?


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Posted by fishy on Thu Oct 27th at 11:23pm 2005


it's a situation that would be tolerable if there were people in power that could be trusted. sadly, this isn't the case.


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Posted by Nickelplate on Thu Oct 27th at 11:30pm 2005


? quoting Dark_Kilauea
How is the infomation on your card any different than the same infomation on a chip? I just see this as a faster way to get though airports. Only quarrel I have is if it's not encripted.

It's not only a way to scan information into computers. It's a way of tracking where the heck you are.

I'm beginning to think that I'd be much happier living in the middle ages.




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Posted by Underdog on Fri Oct 28th at 12:19am 2005


? quoting satchmo
Eminem is my idol. Does that tell you something?

Not in the slightest, but you have a habit of making semi-controversial comments then bailing on the thread once the hornets are swarming.

I do not think you are truly ready for the can of worms a comment like that would incite.




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Posted by Mephs on Fri Oct 28th at 12:29am 2005


*cough* Orph *cough*

That wasn't all that contraversial anyways underdog, you're the only person that picked up on it, so it says more about your reaction to it than satchmos supposed baiting. To your corners, gentlemen.... <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif">




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Posted by Underdog on Fri Oct 28th at 12:38am 2005


? quoting Mephs
*cough* Orph *cough* (first time this week, nice one Mephs)

That wasn't all that contraversial anyways underdog, you're the only person that picked up on it, so it says more about your reaction to it than satchmos supposed baiting. To your corners, gentlemen....

Hmm, perhaps but somehow I think that I am not so alone as you claim. I have noticed that many people around here are plenty smart enough to pick up on things yet, remain silent.

Thats not a bad thing really, but it does leave a lot of unvoiced comments around that can only be imagined.

If you like, I can keep track of any infringements from this point onward. I am willing to forget the past situations. Most notably, the booby thread.

I would also like to point out that if you read my comment, you will note that I have not hinted as to my position on his comment, only that it can lead to places undesirable by some. I am perfectly willing to discuss them without concerning myself with whom gets offended or not.




There is no history until something happens, then there is.




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