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Posted by Agent Smith on Sat Oct 29th at 2:21pm 2005

Well I'm a Christian (Somewhat lax in the area of bad language), and I really enjoy all the three series mentioned, and think any Christian who believes them to be of the devil is pretty nutso.

I've had this argument with some slight wacko's in my weekly bible study group. He was arguing that Harry Potter was satanic because of the magic and witchcraft element, which is a fair point I suppose, but the fact it is a fictional novel helps me distinguish between reality and fiction. In defense of reason I said that if he believed this, then he couldn't watch or enjoy any science fiction movies, particularly ones that contain creatures from other worlds, simply because the Bible states that we are the chief creation in the galaxy, there were no other peoples created by God. By watching sci-fi he was encouraging the false idea that we are not unique, and that God created other intelligent life forms on planets other than earth. Therefore making Genesis a load of bunk.

It didn't really shut him up, but i felt it was as valid as his arguement.



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Posted by azelito on Sat Oct 29th at 2:35pm 2005

The Snarkpit is satanic.



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Posted by Myrk- on Sat Oct 29th at 3:26pm 2005

Isn't it illegal in the US to preach in school?


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Posted by Crono on Sat Oct 29th at 8:07pm 2005

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Crono - He did not fight in WW2, but he was active. He would
patrol the streets and warn townsfolk of any incoming planes and such


That be what I thought, arg.

Myrk: it's a shady area. While, yes, there is a separation of Church and State there's also a general respect for people's beliefs.

The entire point of that amendment is to make it so religion doesn't influence politics and so politics don't influence religion... yeah,I know, it doesn't work well.

It's like a win win situation, it's just a lot of people still have this idea that they must make others think and believe what they believe. Which is where it becomes illegal, I guess you could call it.

There's a lot of screwed up stuff and people who know much less about it always shrug it off ... even if it really isn't okay. (Religious heads telling people how to vote in an election, for example ...)


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Posted by Captain P on Sat Oct 29th at 10:39pm 2005

I do think Harry Potter is satanic or satanic influenced. The spells, witchcraft and all, and also the way morals are handled (Harry breaks some rules but because he did something awesome he's praised for it?).
Now I can't say too much about it though since I haven't read a single book of it, it's just what I think based on what I've heard, but to me it seems these books preach totally wrong morals to our youth.

I have read Lord of the Rings because I heard Tolkien was a christian and to me it seemed strange that a christian would write about wizards and other strange creatures. Well, I still don't really know what to think about it but the story contains morals and besides my dislike of such creatures and all, I don't think there's something wrong about it. I'm just unsure about that aspect.

I've also read the Narnia series, while I was young, and I remember really liking these. It also talks about an evil sorceress and speaking animals. Well... it displays the sorceress as evil (it also shows how satan in fact misleads people and finally binds them) and yeah, there's a moral to these stories. I don't think there's anything really wrong about this one, either.

Agent Smith: That's an interesting point about aliens. I used to like these in the HL time, but I've slowly gotten away from that, nowadays I don't really like them anymore. Don't know why, but perhaps that has something to do with it. I think it's a good point.


Well, I think aspects like sorcerers in books or non-existant species are bound to personal taste, and I think you can go very fierce on it but miss the point of the gospel: people are getting lost and God has given them a precious chance of salvation by giving His only son Jesus to die for our sins. To accept that and get a relationship with God again as he intended is the most important. I think it's a bad thing to pull people off because some tiny point you don't agree with. If someone likes Harry Potter, I wouldn't bash him about it and by doing so making him steer away from God because he just got an example of a narrow-minded christian who cares more for rules (subjective rules?) than for lives getting saved.
Now ok, some things have a bad influence, but once a person gets to know God better he or she also gets a better idea of what God's intentions are for his or her life. God can bring conviction to someone's life and that's often much more powerfull than any word you can speak to somebody.

Wow, long post.



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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Sat Oct 29th at 10:52pm 2005

Well - Harry Potter breaks rules to fight evil.

A lot of the rules he breaks are ridiculous anyway -- so it's not really instilling anything bad in the youth, imo.




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Posted by Underdog on Sat Oct 29th at 10:56pm 2005

I think 2 things Cappy.

1) read the books before you post on them. It would really add merit to your post. Right now, its a load of crap.

2) you should also look into magic a bit closer. Although there are bad and good versions. It shows a complete lack of knowledge on the subject to wad them all into one group.

I don't mean to be disrespectful but your knowledge about Potter is second hand at best. Worse, you probably heard most of what you repeated from non-fans.

My better half studies white magic and I take it real personal when you say its Satanic so casually.




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Posted by fishy on Sat Oct 29th at 11:18pm 2005

? quoting Underdog
I think 2 things Cappy.

1) read the books before you post on them. It would really add merit to your post. Right now, its a load of crap.

2) you should also look into magic a bit closer. Although there are bad and good versions. It shows a complete lack of knowledge on the subject to wad them all into one group.

I don't mean to be disrespectful but your knowledge about Potter is second hand at best. Worse, you probably heard most of what you repeated from non-fans.

My better half studies white magic and I take it real personal when you say its Satanic so casually.

maybe by taking the advice in point 1, you would know that, from a christians perspective, point 2 is bullhonk.

as for your other half being a witch, that may explain the spirit of confusion that is evident, as it's one of the first things to manifest in such households.

no offence intended.




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Posted by Captain P on Sat Oct 29th at 11:19pm 2005

I've read LOTR and the Narnia series, just not the Harry Potter serie. I stated clearly it was my opinion on that serie based on what I've heard. It has therefor probably not that much merit, but that wasn't my intention either. Just giving my opinion. I know I'd have to read them to form it more clearly about them, but right now those books just don't interest me enough nor do they sound worth the read to me. So, I just wrote my opinion, nothing more. <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">

I know people divide magic into white and black, wicca, satanic groups, and much more, and there's a huge difference in intentions and rules even within these groups, but I generally see anything that goes outside Gods laws as dangerous.
I've had a girlfriend who heard voices, saw aura's and predicted happenings. Not that she was really involved with magic as far as I knew, but she had those 'gifts'. Looked nice and helpfull at first but once she started to hear the dates of peoples deaths it wasn't so nice anymore. Some of these things actually happened. She heard her own death date as well. Luckily she got saved and nothing happened, God has set her free of those voices and gave her a new life.
So, I don't even see the need for doing magic when you can get a relationship with God. Besides I think it's dangerous as you don't know what spirits you're dealing with.

I understand above story sounds strange and that's what I thought when she told me about her history too, but I believe there's a truth here.
I also see your point when you say I do it off so easily as satanic, so sorry if I sounded insulting as that's not my intention. I do think however there's a danger in these area's thats often overlooked by people. So don't see it as an insult but rather as a warning. Some things aren't seen on the short term but devastating on the long run, and you don't know if you can keep it in hand or if it keeps you in hand.
I know from personal experience God doesn't deceit, but other spirits will do so.



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Posted by Dark_Kilauea on Sat Oct 29th at 11:25pm 2005

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there were no other peoples created by God.


The bible does not say this.



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Posted by azelito on Sat Oct 29th at 11:40pm 2005





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Posted by Underdog on Sat Oct 29th at 11:42pm 2005

? quoting fishy

maybe by taking the advice in point 1, you would know that, from a christians perspective, point 2 is bullhonk.

no offence intended.

Then I guess its a good thing for me that Christians aren't as all knowing as they think they are.

I would rather not allow things to degrade into the spiritual. My intention was only to clarify that I have a vested interest in magic and that I feel its best to read a book prior to having so close minded, or for lack of a better word "certitude" about it.

none taken.




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Posted by Nickelplate on Sat Oct 29th at 11:53pm 2005

Lots of ppl get the wrong Idea.

There is NOTHING wrong with books that have magic and wizards as all that. That used to be something real. For some reason ppl think that any mention of other gods, magic, wizards or witches is somehow EVIL. ITS NOT!!

The bible itself chronicles many accounts of wizards sorcerers witches and gods. It's not a sin to write or read a book with this stuff in it, it's a sin to WORSHIP the other gods.

Fishy, where does harry potter call on demons to aid him?

Myrk- I work at a public school and I've read the rules: You cannot impress your religious beliefs on the students if it's unsolicited. If they ask, or if you state it as an opinion starting with "I beleive" then you are protected. If you jus go in and start baptizing ppl, then yes, you're in trouble.




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Posted by Gaara on Sun Oct 30th at 1:12am 2005

Well there are hypogriffs and thestrauls (spelling?), maybe they are *kinda* demonic. Also if I owned a library I would get the bible and put it in the fiction section. No offense.


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Posted by wil5on on Sun Oct 30th at 1:15am 2005

I dont see what the big fuss is about. Theyre just books.


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Posted by FatStrings on Sun Oct 30th at 1:27am 2005

the sub is Mrs Corman
but you have to realize that most of the people who believe this bulls**t also think that goth, wikins, and satanism is the same thing
they dont know a damn thing about anything they try to shut down
the worst part, however is that she got all of this out of one of those stupid magazines




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Posted by Nickelplate on Sun Oct 30th at 1:45am 2005

? quoting wil5on
I dont see what the big fuss is about. Theyre just books.

Seriously, that is what it comes down to...

They aren't religios texts and they're not claiming to be. Even if a little kid DOES try to call a demon to make him fly on a broomstick or something, it's not gonna happen and the little dummy is not gonna try again...

Gaara- No offense taken really, but the bible has been proven countless times to be historical. It's historical with some miracles added in that you may or may not beleive in, but really, you can't argue that these ppl didn't exist, because they are elsewhere in history. Even an atheis will not argue against the fact that there WAS a guy named jesus and he WAS a religios guy and he WAS crucified by Pontius Pilate. Really, I think most people have a lack of understanding of the bible and Christianity, so they just think its a bunch of dumb puritanical rules and bullcrap. But it's really not, and you have to WANT to see that to be able to. So most just don't because it would shatter thier paradigms...

Fatstrings- Mrs Corman was just doing the same thing that Gaara was doing, She heard that something was a certain way and liked how that fit in with her agenda, so she decided to try to shut it down and set it on a certain "shelf" without really reading it and seeing what it was all about first...




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Posted by FatStrings on Sun Oct 30th at 1:52am 2005

dude shes influenced her son so badly that he told one of his friends he couldnt play one of those trading card game dealies because it was against god and opened your mind to the devil
this family has issues




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Posted by Underdog on Sun Oct 30th at 1:58am 2005

? quoting FatStrings
dude shes influenced her son so badly that he told one of his friends he couldnt play one of those trading card game dealies because it was against god and opened your mind to the devil
this family has issues

I bet you anything that if someone looked hard enough that there are signs of abuse. People do not normally get this way without something going on behind the scenes.

I'd keep an eye on the son and if you detect anything, report it. Its best to look like a fool than to ignore a potential problem.

and,

Its NOT intruding, and if anyone tells you to mind your own business, tell them to take a flying whatsit.




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Posted by Nickelplate on Sun Oct 30th at 1:59am 2005

Do you really think it will do him any GOOD to have ppl know he actually PLAYED "Magic, the Gathering?" I think it will get him beaten up a heck of a lot more than carrying a bible...

LOL

I was never allowed to play Dungeons and Dragons, when i was younger, because there was other gods in it. I'm just less of a nerd now because of it.

Underdog: I know this family well, and attend church with them. They are great people. They have 2 autistic sons (one mild and one very severe) and their family is just a bit strange, that's all.




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