Posted by FatStrings on Sun Oct 30th at 2:05am 2005
but they need to keep their views to themselves unless someone wants to hear them, generally when she subs everyone just leaves the room
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Posted by Agent Smith on Sun Oct 30th at 2:42am 2005
The bible does not say this.
It does actually, perhaps not in those words exactly. Its more that God and the Bible only mentions creating us and the universe. Not us, the Klingons, Doctor Who, Jabba the Hutt, and the universe.
I suppose Harry Potter is a bad influence on children, mainly for the idea that magic and witchcraft can get you things you want. For an older audience who knows its just a story and special effects its not really an issue. I agree with you Captain on the point that all magic is inherently dangerous. Its interesting that LOTR should offer a example of this. Whether wanting to use the ring for good or evil, the unknown and uncontrollable power ultimately turned everyone who used it down the path of evil. This is the same for witchcraft.
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Posted by fishy on Sun Oct 30th at 2:58am 2005
The bible does not say this.
It does actually, perhaps not in those words exactly. Its more that God and the Bible only mentions creating us and the universe. Not us, the Klingons, Doctor Who, Jabba the Hutt, and the universe.
nor does it mention earwigs or woodworm, amongst other things, so do we assume that these things are creations of gene roddenberry's over active imagination? ![]()
Posted by Agent Smith on Sun Oct 30th at 3:20am 2005
Seriously though, the Bible, whilst not mentioning them specifically, does claim God created EVERYTHING on earth. So logic would assume that yes he did create earwigs and woodworm.
Honestly though, I have wondered about the possibility of other intelligent life in the universe. It seems likely that at least 1 other planet out there is capable of supporting life like earth. Why not another civilisation. The bible can be a bit vague sometimes, at least to my reckoning, particularly considering the universe was created in two pages. Especially the amount of time it took to create everything. Scientists have made estimates of billions (or millions) of years for the age of the earth, but christians say that can't be right because of the Bible. The fact the bible was written by man, applying his own understanding of time and space, means it could be wrong. A God day could have been a million years, not 24 hours. It's all a bit vague I feel, no reason why both can't be right. Just throwing that out there.
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Posted by Nickelplate on Sun Oct 30th at 4:31am 2005
The bible also says that God created the Universe, therefore everything in it and possibly other intelligent lifeforms. Just like the earwigs were not mentioned, so were the aliens not mentioned.
Which makes you wonder, do these OTHER civilizations have thier own bible that says "In the beginning God created the heavens and Gleeplax-5..." Thier bibles probably dont mention us, either.
which brings another point: We're created in his image, but are the aliens created so too? Probably so and if so, aliens would look like humans and therefore could be amongst us at this very moment without us being any the wiser!
Futhermore, we could BE the aliens and not know it!!!!
Just to get you thinkin' ![]()
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Posted by Agent Smith on Sun Oct 30th at 5:55am 2005
Also raises the question of judgement day. If we are meant to expand out into the universe, if that is the reason God created it, then its a fair chance that the end of days is a long way off. But then again I'm sure the major natural disasters and wars we are currently experiencing around the world have gotten some people wondering if its not going to be sooner.
It's all very deep
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Posted by Nickelplate on Sun Oct 30th at 8:29am 2005
Really, the natural disasters are going CRAZY...
We've got hurricanes, floods, tsunamis, tornadoes and earthquakes. We've got lots of all of them all over the world. We've got plans in the world to create peace in the middle-east. (Bible says that there will be 7 years of peace before the end times. So until there's peace there, I think it won't come around.)
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Posted by wil5on on Sun Oct 30th at 8:42am 2005
Natural disasters are occuring often lately because the Flying Spaghetti Monster is punishing us for not following His path and dressing in full pirate regalia. Here is a graph which proves that global warming is the result of declining pirate numbers:

Obviously, if we want to prevent the apocalypse, we must all return to our pirate ways. Hopefully you all will be touched by His Noodly Appendage and see the error of your ways.
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Posted by Gaara on Sun Oct 30th at 9:01am 2005
This reminds me of an episode of the simpsons where Kang or Kodos (the aliens) say something along the lines of "When your civilization was created thousands of years ago...BY GOD (then they do that cross thing on their chests)". Made me laugh hard.
Also I haven't read the bible
. Well not more than a couple pages.
Read the apocalypse one though (a very summarised version). I wonder if it is figurative (i.e the "beast" hs been seen as Hitler or Saddam in the past) or literal. If it was literal it would be a coool way to die.
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Posted by Naklajat on Sun Oct 30th at 10:54am 2005
Anyways, I wouldn't be surprised if there was seven years of peace then a nuclear war resulting in the earth being destroyed. Maybe all this business about quantum physics is forbidden knowledge, maybe when man learns to use his mind to its fullest potential we will all die. Some stuff in quantum physics points to the power of the mind to alter reality, not quite on a telekinetic level, but still physically on a molecular level (blessed water actually IS different from regular water, no matter whether its blessed by a Christian priest, Buddhist monk or whatever other spiritual figures.) There have also been numerous successful attempts at group meditation to lower a city's crime rates and stuff like that.
Maybe what we need to postpone the apocolypse is a good ol' fashion witch hunt and book burning.
And perhaps we just need to get back in touch with God (whatever that is) and stop distracting ourselves with television, video games, sports, celebreties (sp?), the Atkins/no-carb/South Beach diets, penis pills, and all the rest of the crap the world is so damn preoccupied with.
As for Harry Potter, I agree with whoever said children may be taking it out of context and learning somewhat skewed morals. I do think it would be ironic if Rowling turned out to be a Satanist though.
As for LOTR, I never read all of the books and haven't seen the movies in a long time, but I don't recall any real mention of a form of 'God' doing anything. I think it was more about the moral that power can corrupt us all.
And I never read Narnia.
On a final note, I hate having (or rather trying to have) spiritual conversations with the kind of closed-minded zealots like that sub. I always end up frustrated and in awe of how unquestioningly those people believe and how literally they take everything.
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Posted by Underdog on Sun Oct 30th at 11:51am 2005
I do think it would be ironic if Rowling turned out to be a Satanist though.
As long as it doesn't happen before book #7 is released I don't care. I will be royally pissed if some bleeding heart ruins my read.
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Posted by Nickelplate on Sun Oct 30th at 8:57pm 2005
baron- a large part of religious faith is accepting things without question. even things that do not make sense or that you don't understand. Somethings, however must be understood to be included in your faith, and that is where some of these people go off.
Mostly, Christians are viewed as people who tell everyone else they are wrong, and who hate everything, and hate lots of other ppl.
It's just not true, TBH. some of us are like that, but most are sensible people who have kids reading Harry Potter at home. It's the same thing with muslims, people say that muslims are all violent suicide-bombers. but there are lots of ppl who ARENT extremists and who are not like the stereotypes.
Lots of ppl have no desire to understand so they just compartmentalize so thier agendas aren't ruined. It's easier that way.
seek first to understand, then to be understood.
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Posted by Crono on Sun Oct 30th at 10:24pm 2005
There are judgemental and murdering Christians, Terrorist Muslims, Pedophile Catholics, Celebrity Alientologists, the list goes on.
People should know, and not be foolhardy, enough to understand just because the media is saturated with these people doesn't mean they're the entire population.
Why do people forget that? I'm not sure, I think it's because people just like to bitch and whine.
Look at the passport thread
Posted by Underdog on Sun Oct 30th at 10:31pm 2005
Another thing that seems to be being overlooked in this Potter ordeal:
Children are most impressionable far younger than what the average reader is. In other words, the majority of the people reading the book are not likely to be subjugated by the mearly reading of the books.
People who go badly, went that way long before they read anything that drove them over the edge. Children who take guns to school, more than likely would have done so even if they had no outside influences at all. There were violent children before video games. The problem these days is that many parents do not teach their children to cope with normalcy. I am not saying its fair, but life's bad things teach us something. Most times at least we benefit from them.
In the end, anyone who is thinking that reading any book will cause someone to turn out bad is themselves in need of help.
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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Sun Oct 30th at 11:29pm 2005
@UD: I agree for the most part, especially with the part about putting the onus on the parents to raise their kids to function normally.
Also, I don't think there is anything evil or corruptable in the Harry Potter series, but there are definitely books out there that can skew a child's perspective and influence their thinking. I mean, I'd rather have my kids reading Harry Potter than Mein Kampf, and that says something.
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Posted by rival on Mon Oct 31st at 5:56pm 2005
about christ. i believe he was a real person and probably a jewish prophet/preacher who went down in the bible as being the son of god because he became the leader of a new jewish cult: the followers of Christ, hence Christians. i do not believe he performed miracles or came back to life, i believe that is sugar and spice people have thrown in over the ages. but why he had a spanish name (i mean: Jesus??) when he lived in israel around 0 AD i dont know. that has always puzzled me.
as for books and what not being satanic, i dont believe it. how is the witchcraft in harry potter satanic? i can see how some of the spells that the death eaters use to kill people could be interpreted as 'devilish' but satanism was the very last thing on my mind while i was reading any of those books.
i am an atheist, quite a strong one in fact but not zelously strong. i am prepared to accept someone elses opinions or faith or whatever as long that dont become ridiculous in expressing their views. i do believe in one thing that many people think as 'spiritual' but think of it as not. 'Chi'. that extraordinary strength many people can harness that others say is supernatural. i believe it is more a combination of will power, knowledge of how to use your body, harnessing your natural electromagnetism and/or other energies your body produces as well as general fitness.
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Posted by Nickelplate on Mon Oct 31st at 6:21pm 2005
haha n00b, the Spaniards took the name "JESUS" from the middle east when the muslims conquered spain. Along with other names like Joachin.
The "the bible's been changed" theory went out the eindow when they discovered the dead sea scrolls which were EXACTLY like the current bible. We know where Confucius is buried, we know where buddha is buried, whe know where muhammed is buried, but there's no "jesus tomb" its far from any sort of PROOF, but its interesting nonetheless.
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