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Re: The Devil did it
Posted by rival on Mon Oct 31st at 6:43pm 2005


do you not think that was a bit harsh? i was merely stating my opinion. you could have expressed your argument, which is probably right so i was wrong, in a calmer, more civilised manner??
and to tell me that not one single bit of the bible was unchanged for over two thousand years i find that hard to believe.
but please do not tell me that the Dead Sea Scrolls are and exact replica of the bible but because that is blatant ignorance!!

? quoting Wikipedia
Alleged connection to Christianity

A Spanish Jesuit, Jos? O'Callaghan, has argued that one fragment (7Q5) is a New Testament text from the Gospel of Mark, Chapter 6, verses 52-53. In recent years this controversial assertion has been taken up again by German scholar Carsten Peter Thiede. A successful identification of this fragment as a passage from Mark would make it the earliest extant New Testament document, dating somewhere between AD 30 and 60. Opponents consider that the fragment is tiny, and requires so much reconstruction (the only complete word is Greek 'και' = 'and'), that it could have come from a text other than Mark.

Allegations that the Vatican suppressed the publication of the scrolls were published in the 1990s. Notably, Michael Baigent's and Richard Leigh's book The Dead Sea Scrolls Deception contains a popularized version of speculations by Robert Eisenman that some scrolls actually describe the early Christian community, characterized as more fundamentalist and rigid than the one portrayed by the New Testament, and that the life of Jesus was deliberately mythicized by Paul, possibly a Roman agent who faked his "conversion" from Saul in order to undermine the influence of anti-Roman messianic cults in the region. (Eisenman's own oft-disputed theories attempt to relate the career of James the Just and Paul to some of these documents.) Baigent and Leigh allege that several key scrolls were deliberately kept under wraps for decades to prevent the rise of alternative theories to the prevailing consensus that the scrolls had nothing to do with Christianity.

Because they are frequently described as important to the history of the Bible, the scrolls are surrounded by a wide range of conspiracy theories: one example is the claim that they were entirely fabricated or planted by extra-terrestrials. There is also writing about the Nephilim. Some call these an extinct race of giants, and others argue that this is evidence of aliens in the Bible, interpreting the "sons of God" (who mated with "the daughters of men") as space aliens creating a mixed breed.

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dead_sea_scrolls




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Re: The Devil did it
Posted by Nickelplate on Mon Oct 31st at 6:56pm 2005


I never said anytihng insulting to you... merely stating my opinion, too. Ppl get much to riled up over this forum... Calm down, have some tea. I'll take the time to read your atricle when i get home.


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Re: The Devil did it
Posted by fishy on Tue Nov 1st at 12:18pm 2005


the bible didn't exist as 'the bible' when the dead sea scrolls were written, so something must have changed.


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Re: The Devil did it
Posted by Underdog on Tue Nov 1st at 1:33pm 2005


? quoting fishy
the bible didn't exist as 'the bible' when the dead sea scrolls were written, so something must have changed.

Well, it seems perfectly obvious to me. The sea was alive before the scrolls were written and they feared something else dying so they jotted it all down and stamped "Bible" on the cover.

Gotta hate it when s**t dies because you take to long.




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Re: The Devil did it
Posted by keved on Tue Nov 1st at 1:41pm 2005


? quoting wil5on
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ROFLOL!

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Re: The Devil did it
Posted by French Toast on Tue Nov 1st at 8:57pm 2005


Yeah, I was going to bring that link up, but I forgot it. What a brilliant point.




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Re: The Devil did it
Posted by G.Ballblue on Tue Nov 1st at 9:18pm 2005


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Isn't it illegal in the US to preach in school?


Yes and no. I read an article on this not to long ago, and from I know of, the article claimed that many people are "under the impression" that religion is not permitted in public schools.

The article begged the differ -- it claimed that prayer/religion is allowed in schools, but only for one's "personal use" you could say. For instance, someone praying before they eat meal at lunch, and naturally, praying to themselves.
Unfortunately, it was stated that many people are under the wrong impression of the law, and teachers, and parents, and you average person for the matter, feels that religion is not allowed in the slightest in schools.

In pertaining to the topic, I don't think a teacher would be allowed to get up in front of a classroom and talk religion; hence that it appears that religion must be kept to yourself, and in privacey when in school.



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Re: The Devil did it
Posted by Nickelplate on Wed Nov 2nd at 1:50am 2005


? quoting fishy
the bible didn't exist as 'the bible' when the dead sea scrolls were written, so something must have changed.

The dead sea scrolls are not "The bible": conversely, the bible is a collection of smaller books, some of which ARE the dead sea scrolls, which BTW have not changed except for the smallest things like a "thee" is a "you" or something.




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Re: The Devil did it
Posted by Windows 98 on Wed Nov 2nd at 2:08am 2005


Crono spelt "sue" incorrectly!


Your teacher is a load of horse s**t. But shes nothing compared to this sub we always have, he goes by "Mr.V". Hes like 500lbs, and is crazy. He doesnt teach anything, he just tells us strange stories that he made up and expects us to believe. Theres this great one about his friend being elecrictured by like 8,000 volts and living, and then he does the impression of him touching the wire. He shakes and his neck bounces up and down, lawl. And if we happen to have atest while hes subbing, you can just ask him for the answers and he just tells you them.

.... either way your sub is a load of crap, get her fired.

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Re: The Devil did it
Posted by Gorbachev on Wed Nov 2nd at 2:14am 2005


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Also ... are you going to a public school? If you are, you can get her fired and sew the school district ... with the right attorney. You know ... if you need some cash.


Better get yo' thread out.




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Re: The Devil did it
Posted by Nickelplate on Wed Nov 2nd at 2:59am 2005


Actually Windows98, The human body can take WELL over 8,000 volts. It's the amount of amps that kills you.

"There is a rule called the 1-10-100 rule of current. This rule states that 1mA of current through the human body can be felt, 10mA of current is sufficient to make muscles contract to the point where you cannot let go of a power source, and 100mA is sufficient to stop the heart."

Volts can reach tens of thousands and not ahve any effect.




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Re: The Devil did it
Posted by Windows 98 on Wed Nov 2nd at 3:25am 2005


Whatever it was, it was some kind of electricity that was WELL over the fatal limit, im no expert on electricity, and I dont remember what he said word for word.

but you get the point






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Re: The Devil did it
Posted by mazemaster on Wed Nov 2nd at 3:43am 2005


I believe there is a certain range of amps that is most likely to kill you - below that its fine, and above that you get burnt but die less often.

Electricity usually kills you by causing your heart to twitch uncontrollably (I believe this is called fibrilation?). Getting "fried"/burnt/caught on fire/etc is also a concern, but not nearly as much of a problem as having your heart screwed up.

At low amps, the current is not enough to cause any twitching. At around 100 mA to 200 mA the heart twitches chaotically and you die. However, above 200 mA the heart just clamps tightly shut until the electricity stops, preventing fibrilation! So you are actually less likely to die if the amperage is really high compared to the 100-200 mA range.






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Re: The Devil did it
Posted by Nickelplate on Wed Nov 2nd at 3:51am 2005


I disagree, Mazmaster.




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Re: The Devil did it
Posted by French Toast on Wed Nov 2nd at 4:01am 2005


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(I believe this is called fibrilation?)


Sounds about right, considering the "defibrilator"




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Re: The Devil did it
Posted by mazemaster on Wed Nov 2nd at 4:24am 2005


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I disagree, Mazmaster.


Uhm you are wrong. Sorry.






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Re: The Devil did it
Posted by Nickelplate on Wed Nov 2nd at 4:57am 2005


What makes you think you're right?

You bagan your post with "i beleive that..." which sounds like you think you heard it somewhere or something.




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Re: The Devil did it
Posted by Hugh on Wed Nov 2nd at 5:14am 2005


I'll say. I don't think having your heart clamped shut's going to make you live very long, either... unless that somehow stops the electrical current but that would be pretty magical if you asked me.


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Re: The Devil did it
Posted by mazemaster on Wed Nov 2nd at 5:45am 2005


I remembered it from a circuits lab course I took last year. I just got out the lab manual to check (seeing as how you are doubtful), and it said basically agreed with what I remembered.





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Re: The Devil did it
Posted by wil5on on Wed Nov 2nd at 6:00am 2005


On volts vs. amps, voltage and current are related. The current through you from a given voltage depends on the resistance of the human body. It also depends on the power thats supplied, you can get 8000V in open air, but if you close the circuit and current flows, the voltage could drop significantly if power is limited.

I'll be doing electrical safety stuff next year, unfortunately this thread will either be dead or derailed again by then.




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