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Re: FALL BACK, I'll Catch you
Posted by G4MER on Sun Oct 30th at 11:30am 2005


When we change our clocks

Daylight Saving Time begins for most of the United States at 2:00 a.m. on the first Sunday of April. Time reverts to standard time at 2:00 a.m. on the last Sunday of October. In the U.S., each time zone switches at a different time.

In the European Union, Summer Time begins and ends at 1:00 a.m. Universal Time (Greenwich Mean Time). It begins the last Sunday in March and ends the last Sunday in October. In the EU, all time zones change at the same moment.





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Re: FALL BACK, I'll Catch you
Posted by Underdog on Sun Oct 30th at 2:23pm 2005


Changing the time is about as useless as tits on a boar hog. Archaic concepts we need to remove, and this is one of them.

A few others of note:

  • Personal property tax? WTF is this? We buy something, pay a tax at the moment of purchase and then pay taxes annually henceforth?

  • Toll roads? And who the hells pocket is this idea lining?

  • Child support? Yeah, the child my ass. Subsidized ex-spousal support more like.

  • Social security? I suppose none of you have actually looked at a check have you? Its a laugh.

Please feel free to continue your list of archaic concepts.




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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Sun Oct 30th at 4:23pm 2005


I liked getting an extra hour of sleep today.




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Posted by satchmo on Sun Oct 30th at 4:43pm 2005


Sleep? I spent my free hour playing Half-Life while my wife is running her 18 miles this morning.

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Personal property tax


I am all for that. I pay $3000 in taxes a month to the U.S. government. I am personally feeding all the poor in this country.



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Posted by Y2kBen_2000 on Sun Oct 30th at 6:08pm 2005


Spent my hour, and them some, trying to watch the late night re-runs of anime, on adult swim, that I missed earlier that night because of work. Then anime comes on that's old, I decided to turn off the t for 30 minutes. Turns out, I stayed wake till ten minutes before the episode aired. Looks like I'll have o record it this thursday.

Yup, woke up this morning, feeling like I missed something; then it suddenly hit me that there was a void in my head about last nights episode of s-Cry-ed. Man, don't just hate it when that happens. It's even worse for the shows that may not have a re-run until the next three months.



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Posted by Crono on Sun Oct 30th at 6:48pm 2005


I spent my hour sleeping.

S-Cry-Ed blows.

I guess I'm glad Adult Swim stopped whoring out good anime, since they'd beat it to death.



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Posted by French Toast on Sun Oct 30th at 6:58pm 2005


I spent my hour getting some extra playing time at a LAN party <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif">




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Posted by Mephs on Mon Oct 31st at 1:52am 2005


I remember a couple of years ago this whole thing was discussed in parliment. One reason for changing the clocks back is to give burglars less dark time. Because burglars care about what time it is THAT much. Its stupid and it confuses me every single time.

Isn't it a bit like changing how long a foot is on Wednesdays? We should have a universal metric time system, just for a laugh if we're changing stuff around. Marking out holidays would be a bitch though. :P




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Posted by GreenDragon on Mon Oct 31st at 2:20am 2005


Me and about 60 other people spend that extra hour polishing off 3 kegs.


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Re: FALL BACK, I'll Catch you
Posted by Crono on Mon Oct 31st at 2:37am 2005


Daylight savings time was implimented to allow farmers more harvesting hours during the day for the harvest season (april-october) ... as far as I know.


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Posted by SnarkSephiroth on Mon Oct 31st at 2:59am 2005


Yeah well, I didn't do anything special because Arizona isn't affected by Daylight Savings Time. We sit back and let everyone else mess with their clocks. Ahhh it feels so good being in the laziest state in the US. <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">




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Posted by Underdog on Mon Oct 31st at 3:02am 2005


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Daylight savings time was implimented to allow farmers more harvesting hours during the day for the harvest season (april-october) ... as far as I know.


You know whats odd. I grew up in farm country, (no thats not the odd part) Whats odd is, farmers make their own hours. They do not rely on clocks. Most times they harvest whenever the dew is dry and stop when the dew falls.

I grew up all my life hearing that this is why we change our clocks but its untrue.

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Yeah well, I didn't do anything special because Arizona isn't affected by Daylight Savings Time. We sit back and let everyone else mess with their clocks. Ahhh it feels so good being in the laziest state in the US.



I argued this point with an Arizona native once. He claimed that they did not change time with the fall and spring changes. I said they did because 1/2 the year they are on California time and 1/2 the year they are on New Mexico time. He never did understand my point. <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/sad.gif">




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Posted by Foxpup on Mon Oct 31st at 3:19am 2005


Who said Daylight Savings Time never hurt anyone?

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Posted by Crono on Mon Oct 31st at 3:21am 2005


It isn't "untrue". That's the reason daylight savings was implimented. Are you just forgetting when that was? I doubt you were growing up on a farm 200 years ago when it was actually needed (You know when most people farmed). So, stuff it.


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Posted by SnarkSephiroth on Mon Oct 31st at 3:23am 2005


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Yeah well, I didn't do anything special because Arizona isn't affected by Daylight Savings Time. We sit back and let everyone else mess with their clocks. Ahhh it feels so good being in the laziest state in the US.



I argued this point with an Arizona native once. He claimed that they did not change time with the fall and spring changes. I said they did because 1/2 the year they are on California time and 1/2 the year they are on New Mexico time. He never did understand my point.



I understand that point, but I only take that into consideration when I am calling someone in another time zone, like my mom. Part of the time she is in my time zone, the other, shes not. Other than that, DST is really no big deal to me. But we actually never touch our clocks for those changes UD.




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Posted by Underdog on Mon Oct 31st at 3:36am 2005


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It isn't "untrue". That's the reason daylight savings was implimented. Are you just forgetting when that was? I doubt you were growing up on a farm 200 years ago when it was actually needed (You know when most people farmed). So, stuff it.


Oh yeah I forgot. 200 years ago they hadn't had dew yet.

So sayth the city boy. It may have been documented as thats the reason Crono, but take my word for it, its bulls**t.



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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Mon Oct 31st at 3:51am 2005


Daylight savings time is kind of confusing. To be honest I didn't know much about it until I looked it up on the wikipedia. It has information Arizona and agriculture that is relevant to what we've been discussing. Here's the relevant excerpt:

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Rationales for DST

One of the major reasons given for observing DST is energy conservation. Theoretically, the amount of residential electricity needed in the evening hours is dependent both on when the sun sets and when people go to bed. Because people tend to observe the same bedtime year-round, by artificially moving sunset one hour later, the amount of energy used is theoretically reduced. United States Department of Transportation studies showed that DST reduces the country's electricity usage by one percent during each day DST is in effect.

Part of the reason that it is normally observed in the late spring, summer, and early autumn is because during the winter months the amount of energy saved by moving sunset one hour later is negated by the increased need for morning lighting by moving sunrise by the same amount. During the summer most people would wake up after the sun rises, regardless of whether daylight saving time is in effect or not, so there is no increased need for morning lighting to offset the afternoon energy savings.

Another perceived benefit of DST is increased opportunities for outdoor activities. Most people plan outdoor activities during the increased hours of sunlight. Other benefits cited include prevention of traffic injuries (by allowing more people to return home from work or school in daylight), and crime reduction (by reducing people's risk of being targets of crimes that are more common in dark areas).

When the U.S. went on extended DST in 1974 and 1975 in response to the 1973 energy crisis, Department of Transportation studies found that observing DST in March and April saved 10,000 barrels of oil a day, and prevented about 2,000 traffic injuries and 50 fatalities saving about U.S. $28 million in traffic costs. (Stats from this article).

Criticism of DST

DST is not universally accepted; many localities do not observe it. Opponents claim that there is not enough benefit to justify needing to adjust clocks twice every year. The disruption in sleep patterns associated with setting clocks either forward or backward correlates with a spike in the number of severe auto accidents,[1] as well as lost productivity as sleep-disrupted workers adjust to the schedule change. It is also noted that much effort is spent reminding everyone twice a year of the change, and thousands are inconvenienced by showing up at the wrong time when they forget.

There is also a question whether the savings in lighting costs justifies the increase in summertime air conditioning costs. While most people use more sunlight under DST, most people also experience more heat, which prompts many people to turn on the air conditioner during the warmer afternoon hours. When air conditioning was not widely available, the change did save energy; however, air conditioning is much more widespread now than it was several decades ago. Air conditioning often uses more energy than artificial lighting. It was for this reason that Arizona rejected DST and opted to stay on standard time all year.

It is also speculated that one of the benefits, more afternoon sun, would also actually increase energy consumption as people get into their cars to enjoy more time for shopping and the like.

No formal studies have been performed, but an enormous amount of time has been spent by software developers to deal with the fact that 2400 hours past 2pm is not necessarily 2pm 100 days later.

For example, during a North American time change, an autumn night where clocks are reset from 3 AM summer to 2 AM winter time, times between 2AM and 3AM will occur twice, causing confusion in transport schedules, payment systems, etc.

Some studies do show that changing the clock increases the traffic accident rate. Following the spring shift to Daylight Saving Time (when one hour of sleep is lost) there is a measurable increase in the number of traffic accidents that result in fatalities. Some suspect that the change in lighting conditions confuses drivers in their regular commutes. Others speculate that it relates more to the amount of sleep a person gets. Still others suspect that people hurry because they have looked at an incorrect clock and discover that they are late. And a few even suggest that the traffic accidents are caused by people trying to reset the clocks in their cars while driving.

Some campaigners in Britain would like the country to stay on British Summer Time (BST) all year round, or in other words, adopt Central European Time and abolish BST. Alternatively, some would like Britain to adopt Central European Time and jump forward another hour during the summer (adopting a Single/Double Summer Time from Britain's perspective). This would make winter evenings longer, thereby reducing traffic accidents and cases of seasonal affective disorder. Opponents point to the longer hours of darkness on winter mornings, especially in Scotland, which might well cause an increase in road accidents. It has even been suggested that Scotland should be placed on a different time zone from the rest of the UK, which, unlikely though it may sound, would be possible as the UK Parliament could legislate to put the UK forward an hour, and then the Scottish Parliament could put Scotland back onto GMT.

DST is particularly unpopular among people working in agriculture because the animals do not observe it, and thus the people are placed out of synchronization with the rest of the community, including school times, broadcast schedules, and the like."

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time




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Posted by Crono on Mon Oct 31st at 3:54am 2005


Yeah, just read that.

I also thought Franklin was responsible, however, apparently, what he was proposing was a different sleeping schedule and all the teachers I've had are morons.

City boy? Are you implying I live in the limits of a city ... as any other person in the US?



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Posted by Underdog on Mon Oct 31st at 4:01am 2005


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DST is particularly unpopular among people working in agriculture




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You know whats odd. I grew up in farm country, (no thats not the odd part) Whats odd is, farmers make their own hours. They do not rely on clocks. Most times they harvest whenever the dew is dry and stop when the dew falls.





As I was saying.



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Re: FALL BACK, I'll Catch you
Posted by satchmo on Mon Oct 31st at 4:01am 2005


I thought it's a very clever idea. Time is an artificial and arbitrary measurement anyway, and if we can manipulate it to our advantage, more power to us.

By the way, one of my patients showed up an hour too early. So they ended up waiting for more than an hour to be seen.




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