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Posted by satchmo on Mon Nov 14th at 12:02am 2005


CALM, composed and showing no sign of remorse, a 35-year-old Iraqi woman recounted on Jordanian television last night how she and her husband planned a double suicide bomb attack on a wedding reception in the Radisson SAS Hotel in Amman last Wednesday.

Sajida Mubarak al-Rishawi?s husband succeeded in blowing himself up and killing at least 23 guests, including the bride?s father and father-in-law. But she survived, and was arrested yesterday after al-Qaeda ? apparently unaware that she was still alive ? issued a statement boasting that four bombers, including a husband-and-wife team, had carried out the bombings.

?I came to Jordan with my husband on November 5, 2005, and we were both travelling on fake Iraqi passports,? al-Rishawi said in a dramatic one-minute interview filmed at the Jordanian intelligence service?s headquarters.

?We came to Jordan to carry out a mission in hotels . . . We rented a flat. My husband had two explosives belts with him, so he took mine out and started teaching me how to use it, how to wear it and how to pull the detonator.?




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Posted by French Toast on Mon Nov 14th at 12:37am 2005


Not quite sure how to respond to this...




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Posted by omegaslayer on Mon Nov 14th at 12:45am 2005


I generaly stay away from politics these days. Ignorance is bliss.






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Posted by Naklajat on Mon Nov 14th at 1:53am 2005


Bleh. We (by we I mean them, the US agenda-driven government) were already 'victorious' so I don't understand why there is still so much violence in Iraq, I mean, we won and they lost so they should hand over their country to us. Thats all I have to say.



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Posted by Gorbachev on Mon Nov 14th at 3:32am 2005


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Bleh. We (by we I mean them, the US agenda-driven government) were already 'victorious' so I don't understand why there is still so much violence in Iraq, I mean, we won and they lost so they should hand over their country to us. Thats all I have to say.


While I sense sarcasm, I could be wrong. And if you're serious, you and many Americans need to do a bit of research. Hell, the whole American concept of there has to be a win/loss, good/evil is skewed and only good for driving the war machine and nothing more. It doesn't actually solve anything, at least not with the conflict and others.




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Posted by Crono on Mon Nov 14th at 3:50am 2005


He's not speaking for me. Please don't think a lot of American's think that way. I don't, at least, neither do any people I know.


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Posted by satchmo on Mon Nov 14th at 4:17am 2005


He's being sarcastic. Even the dumbest of Americans are not that blantantly arrogant.


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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Mon Nov 14th at 4:22am 2005


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Posted by Nickelplate on Mon Nov 14th at 4:26am 2005


O, I can see wanting to kill someone, in order to make a problem cease, but not "kill innocent people you don't even know so you can go to heaven."

If i was this wife, I'd be kinda offended that my husband wants to have 77 virgins instead of me. That's a serious thought, not a joke, BTW. My ego would seriously be hurt. I don't understand why women even follow this crazy religion: They're born into oppression, then at about 8 years old, they get thier clitoris and all the other pleasure-giving parts of her reproductive anatomy scraped off with a bit of sharpened rock. Then, after all that, they are forced to marry some guy they don't even like. Then they are expected to kill themselves in the name of a religion that hates them.

In the bible, Abraham was told that God was going to give him a son and that the son would become a great nation. Abraham got tired of waiting for God, so he and his wife Sarah, took things into thier own hands and decided that Abraham should impregnate Hagar, Sarah's maidservant. Her son was Ishmael. Then a bit later, Sarah also became pregnant and had Isaac, whose descendants are the tribes of Israel.

God also said he would turn Ishmael into a great nation. Ishmael's descendants are the people who we now refer to as "Muslims." Pretty much everyone ranging from Iraq down to Saudi Arabia.

Because of Abraham's sin of adultery with Hagar, People even now are suffering because of these people who are the direct result of his sin. I wanted to write this to explain that this is why bad things happen to good people. Because God gave Abraham free will, and by his free will he chose something that resulted in bad things happening to good people. If God took away the consequences of Abraham's actions, then he may as well have not had free will to begin with. This is the answer to the question I'm SO sick of hearing: "Why does such a loving god let bad things happen to good people?"

Sorry to hijack the thread, but it kinda related and I wanted ppl to stop asking me that gosh darn question.




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Posted by wil5on on Mon Nov 14th at 5:02am 2005


? quoting Nickelplate
If i was this wife, I'd be kinda offended that my husband wants to have 77 virgins instead of me. That's a serious thought, not a joke, BTW. My ego would seriously be hurt. I don't understand why women even follow this crazy religion: They're born into oppression, then at about 8 years old, they get thier clitoris and all the other pleasure-giving parts of her reproductive anatomy scraped off with a bit of sharpened rock. Then, after all that, they are forced to marry some guy they don't even like. Then they are expected to kill themselves in the name of a religion that hates them.

That is not Islam.




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Posted by Nickelplate on Mon Nov 14th at 5:06am 2005


Yeah it is.

It's some of it. Another part I didn't mention is that if a woman falls in love with another man and sleeps with him, she and her lover get killed.




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Posted by Naklajat on Mon Nov 14th at 5:27am 2005


Sorry, blue text was warranted. I was being cynically sarcastic. That's what the US government wants us to think, IMHO.

Addendum - All your base are belong to us/US.

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I think there is meaning to the violence, its just very, very misguided. There are some Iraqi people who don't want the changes the western world is bringing, and they see our presence as an imperialistic move. There is also a long history of conflict, almost a tradition of resistance. I doubt the Islamic religion or the Jihad ideals some Muslims hold will change or disappear. In my view, there will always be resistance in the middle east, no matter who is in power.



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Posted by Crono on Mon Nov 14th at 5:40am 2005


That picture is so taken out of context. That's something they used to do a lot. A lot of mothers (specifically) think it works, but it doesn't. They will take small blades (usually) and put little cuts on the forehead to alleviate pressure. Like from a headache. My dad has small scars from that, actually.

Of course, they have medication and stuff, but a lot of it is banned by governments there. (In Libya, the moron running the country, Qaddafi, has banned refrigerators. Idiot.)

Just a little background knowledge.

Also, I wasn't sure, since ... well ... there's a lot of people who think that anyway. :



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Posted by Nickelplate on Mon Nov 14th at 5:56am 2005


It's not a medical thing, Crono. It's called "Ashoura day." and they cut themselves and thier children to commemorate the death of Saint Imam Hussein.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashoura

http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=10009_Islamic_Blood_Ritual

http://www.livejournal.com/~bluer0se/106496.html

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1089500/posts

For video of this,

http://www.foundrymusic.com/opieanthony/displaymedia.cfm/
id/6743/div/opieanthony/media_search/LATEST/LATEST/all/
page/download_MUSLIM_HEAD_CUTTING_RITUAL.html




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Posted by Crono on Mon Nov 14th at 6:07am 2005


OH, no wonder I never heard of this. The specifics you're talking about is "the other muslims" ritual. However you spell it ... shi' at or whatever.

They do do what I was talking about though.



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Posted by Nickelplate on Mon Nov 14th at 6:20am 2005


Yeah, it's "the other guys."

What you're talking about is a really mild kind of "trephination," which has been used since caveman days. only back then they would cut a "pressure release hole" in the skull too.




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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Mon Nov 14th at 6:24am 2005


I can't wait for the day when either the gulf oil fields are depleted or we develop an economically competitive form of alternative energy! I'll laugh my head off when all those countries go back to camel farming and salt mines as the major basis of their economies. Isn't it ironic that all of the funding for terrorism comes from us buying their oil?

It might actually be a viable solution to the problem if the US were to actually do what the world keeps accusing it of: grab all of the mid-east oil fields so we don't have to pay them for it.

I'm not suggesting that would be a good idea, but it would economically destroy all of the mid-east countries and thereby cut of the major source of funding for terrorism. If the world didn't have to pay them for all that oil, there would be none rich enough to support these groups.

Like I said, not a viable, or palatable, policy, but I think it would work in a brutal sort of way.




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Posted by Nickelplate on Mon Nov 14th at 6:32am 2005


Good thought, Tracer.

Kinda reminds me of what my dad was saying, today. He was talking about how if all the farmers just suddenly said "there's a crop-and-livestock shortage... we're gonna have to charge you $3000 per cow, sorry." It'd be the same as the oil gouging that is going on now.

Now if the farmers did that and said "well, i tihnk there would be a lot more cows available if oil prices were to suddenly drop." maybe oil would go down.

Also, tracer, in your scenario: the GOVERNMENT takes over the mideast oil fields, not the OIL COMPANIES. I kinda like that idea. I'm sure you've heard by now that the oil companies have turned out thier HIGHEST PROFIT MARGINS EVER this year of like 9.9trillion dollars or something... That's such bullcrap. It makes me irate..




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Posted by mazemaster on Mon Nov 14th at 10:08am 2005


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I can't wait for the day when either the gulf oil fields are depleted or we develop an economically competitive form of alternative energy!


Sadly (for the enviornment), we aren't going to run out of fossil fuels any time soon. A physicist just gave a talk at my college and he basically said that we will run out of oil in less than 40 years, but then we willl switch to coal and natural gas which won't run out for 200-1000 years. In contrast, the enviornment is going to get f**ked much sooner than that, and so we can't count on economics to bail us out.






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Posted by fraggard on Mon Nov 14th at 1:52pm 2005


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Because of Abraham's sin of adultery with Hagar, People even now are suffering because of these people who are the direct result of his sin. I wanted to write this to explain that this is why bad things happen to good people. Because God gave Abraham free will, and by his free will he chose something that resulted in bad things happening to good people. If God took away the consequences of Abraham's actions, then he may as well have not had free will to begin with. This is the answer to the question I'm SO sick of hearing: "Why does such a loving god let bad things happen to good people?"


There's two ways I can interpret this

  1. Original Sin: All men are born bad because of their ancestors sin, and they have to do $TASKS[] to get into His good graces.
  2. Choice: Men are, by nature, evil. You just need to give them free will to identify this evil.
(Anyway, from what little I know, they both boil down to the same thing. Original Sin was always committed by choice, no matter the religion)

Am I reading this right? This doesn't make any sense at all to me, either way. All the major religions seem to have variants on the same pattern: condemning man to an existence of misery for the two reasons above. Sounds very depressing to me.





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