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Posted by Paladin[NL] on Wed Nov 30th at 7:23am 2005

Light blue is sarcasm <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">





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Posted by Underdog on Wed Nov 30th at 1:30pm 2005

? quoting Paladin[NL
]Light blue is sarcasm

Yes, same thing I said but I was told that its used for humor as well and that people generally know the difference.

Just forget it, I guess a smiley isn't as good an identifier as I thought.




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Posted by fishy on Wed Nov 30th at 2:04pm 2005

an insult is an insult, whatever colour you dress it in. unless i'm wrong of course, and should just have laughed, and replied that you're a f*cking retard, and we all could have laughed.


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Posted by Nickelplate on Wed Nov 30th at 4:04pm 2005

Ja, the sarcasm blue is just a way to get away withj saying stuff you really mean without getting owned for it.

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By Nickelplate

Sarcasm Blue is like an Abortion.
If a Girl knows she can always just kill it,
there are no consequences,
for her actions,
and she can go ahead,
with bad behaviour.

If a snarkpitter wants
to dis another,
He can use,
Sarcastic Blue
It takes away the consequences:
Pwnage.
He gets off scot free.





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Posted by pepper on Wed Nov 30th at 5:52pm 2005

I personaly believe that after we die, there is absolutely nothing..

Yeah nothing. I can hardly imagin being anything there. Mainly due knowing that people make up facts and are very biased to forget important details from earlier events, weeks after already. That is why i dont think there could be anything except energy. As the rule go's that energy cant be destroyed/lost i think that the form we came from we will return to, energy.




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Posted by Nickelplate on Wed Nov 30th at 8:10pm 2005

But, by definition and logic, you've contradicted yourself. If there is nothing, then it's NOTHING, no energy or anything... Since energy is SOMETHING, you still have not imagined nothing. The human mind cannot comprehend "nothing" even as we speak about "nothing," we speak of it as an object or a state of being, which is a "thing," which is not "nothing." I don't think there is "nothing." I think there is no such thing (with "thing" being the word to describe something that is[or even is not]) as "nothing."

You cannot prove that "nothing" exists anywhere, see?

The "soul" that Christianity and Judaeism and Islam are always talking about very well may be an energy form of ourselves. Nothing ever really tells us WHAT a soul is made of. So, I'm willing to accept the "energy" theory as just as valid as any other. as for me, I'd want my energy-being (soul) to go somewhere that there is GOOD energy (heaven) not bad energy....





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Posted by Crono on Wed Nov 30th at 8:18pm 2005

Now you're assuming there's such thing is good or bad energy (Or even good or bad). You should define what you mean by energy. Like ... Energy (i.e. our physical world) or energy (i.e. Karma).

How is it defined as good or bad? Good and bad are points of view.

Also, what makes you think your "energy" (lower case 'e') stays in one place? Or that you ever have a consciousness once you die/become (E)energy? You could be completely unaware of everything. In which case, how does "good" or "bad" even come into play? How can energy have a point of view?

Not trying to discredit you, I'm just giving valid counter arguments.


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Posted by fishy on Wed Nov 30th at 9:25pm 2005

? quoting Crono
How can energy have a point of view??

what are each of us, if not very complex arrangements of energy?




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Posted by Crono on Wed Nov 30th at 9:37pm 2005

I'm not explaining that, since you'd be bored to tears (And I wouldn't explain it properly). Take a physics class and you'll learn everything you want to know ... however, I can only assume you're not actually that interested in the question and you're asking purely for conversational sake ...

You should at least look around at some definitions for energy. That'll give you a much better idea of what you're asking about.

It's easy to show how we're not that mathematically ... but you don't want to see that I'm sure. (Even if it's really simple)


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Posted by Nickelplate on Wed Nov 30th at 9:43pm 2005

Conversely, Crono, how can MASS have a point of view?

I was actually kinda joking about the whole "good and bad energy" thing. Kinda making fun of new-ageists who talk about such things.

And, The same thing that makes our mass stay in one place would probably keep our energy in one place as well.

Futhermore, If we were completely unaware of ANYTHING, that would mean that we are aware of NOTHING, and as we have said "nothing" does not exist. It is impossible to be unaware of everything. Included in "everything" is also the fact that you even exist. If you and everyone else are unaware that you exist, do you truly exist anyway.

This is where you get into the question: "What is it to BE?"




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Posted by wil5on on Wed Nov 30th at 10:12pm 2005

"Point of view" is really only applicable to conscious thought, which is what the brain does. The mass/energy of the brain itself has no point of view, it in itself is just a lump of grey/white matter. You can look at mass, or energy, in the form of an object, and say it is "good" or "bad" if you want, say, flowers are good and guns are bad. These are just arbitrary terms we use to desribe the world around us, and are entirely subjective.

As Crono said, you should probably at least think about physics, perhaps do some reading on the topic.




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Posted by fishy on Wed Nov 30th at 10:46pm 2005

i'm no physicist, but i was under the general impression that matter was condensed energy. something to do with the big bang expanding faster than the speed of light.


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Posted by wil5on on Thu Dec 1st at 12:13am 2005

Matter can be converted to energy, and vice versa. I dont know where that big bang thing came from though. Leperous is doing physics, so maybe he can explain it when/if he ever comes back.


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Posted by Nickelplate on Thu Dec 1st at 1:53am 2005

Still, you have to think:

If you are not conscious, do YOU really exist. I know brain-dead ppl's BODIES still exist after thier consciousness is allegedly gone, but do THEY exist.




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Posted by wil5on on Thu Dec 1st at 2:13am 2005

It depends how you define the person. If you define the person as the physical entity, then yes, they do exist, but theyre dead. If you define the person as behavioural traits, that is, a consciousness, then they do not exist. However, not enough is known about the human brain to definitively say.


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Posted by Paladin[NL] on Thu Dec 1st at 11:45am 2005

I just want to say, congratulations on a successfull hijack of someone's post



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Posted by Nickelplate on Fri Dec 2nd at 12:20am 2005

? quoting wil5on
It depends how you define the person. If you define the person as the physical entity, then yes, they do exist, but theyre dead. If you define the person as behavioural traits, that is, a consciousness, then they do not exist. However, not enough is known about the human brain to definitively say.

Yeah, not enough is known, and I dunno if there ever will BE enough known when it comes to the human consciousness. because... what IS it? lol

Paladin- its only a hijack within 2 weeks of the original post... after that its a digression




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Posted by Paladin[NL] on Fri Dec 2nd at 7:52am 2005

? quote:
Paladin- its only a hijack within 2 weeks of the original post... after that its a digression


Okay! :P





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