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Posted by Myrk- on Mon Nov 14th at 2:05pm 2005

All I know is that everyone is greatly confused and in the dark about everything. Religions (don't argue) were invented to create power and scare people. How some people take these religions so far is beyond me. If you read the bible, you can in fact get away with not believing in god and still go to heaven- it states god forgives all except suicide and something else, so why believe or follow commandments when he will in fact forgive you?!

What I find strangest, is how stupid all the religions are of each other. If your religious then your praying to the same guy muslims do, and all the other religions- they are all the same one pretty much (apart from wierdo cults...)

Anyway enough ranting. Some people just don't know when to stop- terrorists and cults. They have no way of winning- only making everyone else lose with them.




-[Better to be Honest than Kind]-



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Posted by Nickelplate on Mon Nov 14th at 6:32pm 2005

? quoting fraggard


There's two ways I can interpret this

  1. Original Sin: All men are born bad because of their ancestors sin, and they have to do $TASKS[] to get into His good graces.
  2. Choice: Men are, by nature, evil. You just need to give them free will to identify this evil.

(Anyway, from what little I know, they both boil down to the same thing. Original Sin was always committed by choice, no matter the religion)

Am I reading this right? This doesn't make any sense at all to me, either way. All the major religions seem to have variants on the same pattern: condemning man to an existence of misery for the two reasons above. Sounds very depressing to me.

I'll tell ya, Man is inherently selfish. But one man's selfish choice causes suffering for others. Just like God doesn't stop someone from dying when a bad man shoots him in the face, in the same manner, God does't stop the long-term results of sins either. It is pretty depressing, if you think that other ppl's selfishness effects you. Just like the oil company's greed effects you, so does Abraham's and everyone else's. Nothing you can do about it, but try not to effect others so.

Myrk- You gotte bone up on the bible-reading. God forgives everything but one sin which is "blasphemy against the holy spirit" But in order to BE forgiven you have to have accepted Jesus as your saviour, which means BELEIVING in him. and after that, you gotta beleive in God to ask him for forgiveness, otherwise, you're just screwed.




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Posted by Biological Component on Mon Nov 14th at 11:33pm 2005

If you're gonna strap an explosive belt on, you are insane. Insanity explains a lot, I think.



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Posted by satchmo on Mon Nov 14th at 11:54pm 2005

It also has something to do with the religion.

When was the last time you heard of a Buddhist terrorist?




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Posted by G4MER on Tue Nov 15th at 12:11am 2005

Are you people really this stupid? and I am not being saracastic.




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Posted by Nickelplate on Tue Nov 15th at 5:20am 2005

? quoting MoneyShot
Are you people really this stupid? and I am not being saracastic.

What's YOUR deal?




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Posted by Crono on Tue Nov 15th at 7:22am 2005

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It also has something to do with the religion.
When was the last time you heard of a Buddhist terrorist?


Except two things: Buddhism is considered a philosophy because it doesn't matter what your beliefs are to be Buddhist. (As far as I've understood)

"Muslims" who do this aren't "Muslim". This goes against pretty much everything they're suppose to believe in. Most sane people over there hate it more than people here, since they have to deal with it directly and get flack for the actions of said people.

It also differs from country to country. There are some pretty greedy people running around over there.

When people say "the middle east" they're usually talking about Iraq and Saudi Arabia (perhaps Iran or Afghanistan too). They're not talking about Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia, or any of the countries that are "helping". Last time I checked they were part of the middle east too.

But that's besides the point. I think it should just be pointed out that religion isn't the problem. Power, is the problem. There's always someone who wants to control other people ... and that's what all this garbage is really about. Even past money ... it would still be about keeping people "under their thumb" so to speak.


Blame it on Microsoft, God does.



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Posted by fraggard on Tue Nov 15th at 10:25am 2005

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Are you people really this stupid? and I am not being saracastic.


Maybe we are but at least we're doing something about it <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif">




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Posted by Robot Santa on Wed Nov 16th at 1:38am 2005

TARGET DESTROYED! http://www.shianews.com/snObjects/images/1454.jpg
there is a picture of an Iraqi child killed by an American missle.
http://www.savewarchildren.org/images/iraqshelter.jpg

http://www.savewarchildren.org/images/iraqbaby.jpg

http://www.savewarchildren.org/images/iraqhospmom.jpg

"Mission Accomplished!"-George Walker Bush


WAKE UP! the "terror" is manufactured as a pretext for war, the invasion of the third world.

"All we need is the right major crisis and the people will accept the new world order"-David Rockefeller http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Rockefeller
 "We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years........It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supernational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries." -David Rockafeller
http://www.bilderberg.org/rockef.htm

THINK FOR YOURSELF AND RESEARCH THE FACTS!

Historicafor anybody with an open mind i would recommend watching "The Money Masters", a documentary on international banking. Then watch "911:The Great Illusion" and the Alex Jones interview with former German defense minister Andreas Von Buelow, oh and watch the one about the Carlyle Group(arms dealers). There are also many other great documentaries at this website. http://www.lastingnetworks.com/alex/ You have to right click the links and hit 'Save Target As'. Oh and you should also go out and rent "What the Bleep do We Know".



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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Wed Nov 16th at 2:47am 2005

Don't tell me you joined this site just to post that? And for Christ's sake, would you link to and warn about violent images? I can handle it, but we have people of all ages who visit this place.




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Posted by Nickelplate on Wed Nov 16th at 3:17am 2005

? quoting Addicted to Morphine
Don't tell me you joined this site just to post that?

I'm thinking he did. Had he been born years earlier, he would be one of the imbeciles who spit on american soldiers during the Vietnam war.

Here's some fun facts for you, Robot Santa:

  • War happens
  • war does not stop for innocent people, there are always non-military casualties
  • "terrorism" is not a fabricated concept. There used to be two VERY large buildings in New York, and now, they're not there. Ask England if terrorism is fake, they had an underground subway system in London that ppl are afraid to ride now.

If you think we're over there bullying everyone around for no reason, you need to wake the f up and watch what they do to captured americans. Instead of sitting at your computer desk posting casualty photos on an internet forum while crying your Left-wing Emo tears, you could do a little research and see that we're not the bullies here.




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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Wed Nov 16th at 4:22am 2005

I'm sure there's is some bullying on both sides, but if you are going to post pictures of mutilated Iraqis, you ought to post a few of mutilated American soldiers as well... maybe a few 9/11 corpses too...




Some people are like slinkys...

They aren?t really good for anything, but you can't help but laugh when one tumbles down the stairs.



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Posted by wil5on on Wed Nov 16th at 4:31am 2005

War is hell, dont make it worse by giving it horizontal scrollbars.


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Posted by Nickelplate on Wed Nov 16th at 5:15am 2005

? quoting wil5on
War is hell, dont make it worse by giving it horizontal scrollbars.

My thoughts exactly!

Tracer: I think we're on the same track, but i want to further clarify your point by stating the obvious. The terrorists PURPOSELY TARGET thier innocent victims. The American soldiers take many precautions NOT to hurt innocents.

WARNING: The following video is very graphic and depicts the (innocent) American hostage, Nick Berg, being decapitated. He is fully awake and fully aware. This video is not for anyone who is a legal minor.

http://video.dimebowl.com/nickberg.mpg

Robot Santa, you just can't compare this sort of barbarism to the accidental killing of an Iraqi boy.




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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Wed Nov 16th at 6:22am 2005

? quoting wil5on
War is hell, dont make it worse by giving it horizontal scrollbars.

f**k yeah. That was probably the most irritating part. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but it ought to be posted so we don't get carpel-tunnel trying to read it.

Some would suggest that intention has little to do with the results... it may be that US forces have killed more innocent people than the terrorists have. I doubt that, but it is possible. I agree with you that it makes a difference, but I can see the argument that it doesn't matter that you don't want to hurt innocents if it happens anyway.




Some people are like slinkys...

They aren?t really good for anything, but you can't help but laugh when one tumbles down the stairs.



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Posted by Nickelplate on Wed Nov 16th at 6:38am 2005

Well, to me, Killing is killing and its ALWAYS wrong. That's just my religious point of view.

But I think your intention has something to do with it in my societal POV. Just like you don't get the electric chair for stealing candy. It's why we have "manslaughter" and "Murder" as two different things.




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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Wed Nov 16th at 7:07am 2005

I also don't believe in killing, at least not until we have the power to "undo" death.

That doesn't mean I won't fight to save my own life, but in general on an intellectual level I'm against killing.

Nickel, out of curiousity, does your anti-killing stance make you opposed to all wars?

I'm just curious about how far it extends.




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Posted by Robot Santa on Wed Nov 16th at 12:12pm 2005

wow, i just spent like 2 hours writing a very, very lengthy, well thought out response to all of this that really would have got u guys thinking, and i just erased it.....i hope that gives u an idea of how seriuous i am about all this

in short this is what i said:

we were and are being lied to about 9/11(i had a point for every letter of the alphabet on this one, and that was just off the top of my head)there are many smoking guns on this point. ill just refer u too some documentaries: right click and save as

http://www.lastingnetworks.com/alexvideos/911GI128.wmv
http://www.lastingnetworks.com/alexvideos/911RTT-88k.wmv
http://www.lastingnetworks.com/alexvideos/MOT88k.wmv

terror organizations have been and are funded/created/supported by big government to carry out actions that suit their agendas(ex: Al Quaeda was formed from the Mujahadeen and has been under CIA survelence ever since as the CIA supported funded and trained the Mujahadeen)research it

attacks by governments against themselves have been used for pretexts for wars from rome to nazi germany to us

also note that the Bush and Bin Laden families are long time friends and buisness partners

the media is a very powerful tool and is used to manipulate the public opinion and mind set. the example i gave was how the number of news reports about child abductions goes up but the actual number of child abductions goes down.
Yet still all across the nation parents are afraid to let their kids play in their own yards.

http://newsnet.byu.edu/story.cfm/39653
http://www.charitywire.com/charity107/04418.html

I do support our troops, so do the american people, but the government doesnt.
did u know that the troops have to buy their own body armor? did u know they are sent into radiated areas with no protecition? Did u know that everyday people send them things like sunscreen and lipbalm and socks and magazines?did u know there are families of dead soldiers who bring lawsuits against the US government every day, trying to find out the truth about their sons' deaths?

did u know Saddam and iraq had nothing to do with 9/11?

what ever happened to Bin Laden, the guy who was suposedly responsible, fro organizing the 9/11 attacks from a cave in Afghanistan?

did u know the new leader of Afghanistan is a former Unical employee?

Unical now has a contract to build an oil pipeline in that country which all of our bases are position along the proposed pipeline route, the Caspian sea has the worlds second largest oil reserves.Oil needed to fuel war. war is more profitable than oil, much, much, much more profitable.

All the "anti-terror" legislation that throws our constitution out the indow and has ben used to charge people in possetion of drugs with possetion of weapons of mass destruction. Yes the anti terror laws are for US citizens. 10000 page Patriot act that was put up before congress right after 9/11, hmm i wonder if this could have been prepared before 9/11?

every war we have been in in the last century the government has had either prior knowledge or direct involvment in the attcks that got us into the war, and in the case of vietnam the attcks didnt even happen. there are even history channel documentaries about WW2 prior knowledge and many publications on WW1 prior knowledge.

REVIEW THE 9/11 EVIDENCE AND THINK THINK THINK DAMN YOU THINK!

Nickel:

i have 2 uncles who served in vietnam one of whom died because he signed for another tour so he and his brother could come home at the same time. The pain that has caused the people who knew and loved him is unexplainable. Every vietnam veteran i have ever met, i have shaken his hand and thanked him for his service.

-war happens, yes that obvious, thank you

-war doesnt stop for innocent people. THATS MY POINT!

- i dint say that terrorism is made up. it is used and/or caried out to get hidden agendas across. Most major terror attacks have the support of big government.Terrorism is, very, very real. the common misconception most people have is who is really behind it.

-torture and brutality occur on all sides in all wars. did u know that presently the US is torturing meer boys at Guantanamo bay, and even more still are sent to countries like egypt where torture is legal, the same kind of torture mind u that Saddam was so demonized for

-Again, we shouldnt be mad at the troops, we should be mad at the people at the top for lying to all of us and USING us.

-HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF, i would recommend learning all u can about the history of the world in the past century at least

-THE FACTS are very very interesting, please go out and learn them. putting your head under the covers doesnt stop the boogie man from getting to u.

- and yes i am opposed to most wars since most ars ae fought and based on lies, this is a historical fact my friend

-we are all here together and so we need to learn to work together and quit bickering.

-the lives of the people of the countries we have invaded has degraded, not improved and nobody, not us not them not anyone is safer because of these conflicts. actually now a whole generation is growing up with hate twords us

oh and i spend every day of my life doing research, i suggest u do the same, and as for left wing and right wing, just another distraction.

Tracer:

good point



Morphine:

i appologize i should have linked them, i did not think about it. i am ashamed to use the photos of these poor children to get a point across. this is a very touchy subject for me, and these images sparked vety intense emoptions for me and i was just tying to get across the seriousness of this subject. again, i appologize.







i did not intend to offend anyone here i am just tying to get people to think, and most importantly think for themselves. Do research but do it with an objective mind, not a biased one. Pay attention to current events. dont just look at our media look at foreign media as well. listen o as many interviews as u possibly can.


Only together can we make a differnece in this world. Unfortunatley, all signs point to more terror. the important thing to realize is who is behind the terror.

think about it: problem, reaction , solution

terror, fear, government control

if u need a place to start, learn about inernational banking and economics. after u learn about inernational economics everything else suddenly starts to make a LOT more sense. there are very powerful people who have there hands in virtually every cookie jar. An interesting fact is that Paul Wolfowitz, former secretary of defense and author of the wolfowitz docterine(what the patriot act is based on)is now since june president of the world bank. the world bank makes loans to nations with money it prints with nothing to back it, and charges interest. it basically woks the same way credit cards do. another interesting fact is that until 2000 VP dick cheney was head of the Halliburton Oil corporation.

listen folks, it just goes on and on and on and on and on and on. All the lies, corruption, deception, usery.

Its getting to a point where its going to affect us all, and unless we know the truth we will be able to do nothing, and most of us will actually most likely help bring about our on destruction.

this is about life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness.

we must preserve our constitution! once we make one execption whats to stop us from making another, then another until all of the rights our forefathers died to give us are gone, and we are slaves.

this is not a joke, this is real, if u cant see that now the future will abruptley open your eyes.

"those who would give up liberty to attain saftey deserve neither liberty nor saftey" -Benjamin franklin

"those who would seek both liberty and saftey seek something that never has and never will exist" -Thomas Jefferson

Again im sorry for anyone i have offended but war is not the way to solve anything, we have to stop the machine of global government before it controls us all, through awareness. The only way to help ourselves is to educate ourselves. Its up to u to take the time and do the research and find out for yourselves. And know that if u do the things u find will not be comforting, but know that there are many other people out there that know the same things. And once u do know some imporatant facts, share them with everyone u can. The mechanism that is engulfing our world in hate and death can only be stopped with peace, even if we all fight a huge world war and kill eachother all off it will just play right into someones hands.

the biggest danger in this world isnt terrorists, it isnt child abductions, it isnt korean nuclear technology that was given to them by us. It is our desire for somebody else to do it for us. U have to realize that u have control over your life, nobody else, and u have to find the strength within yourself to be yourself and not who everyone wants you to be.

and remeber when u are doing your research to ask yourself these questions:

Who benefits? Who has the motive? Who is making the money? Who is gaining power? who is losing power?

also remeber that historically power corrupts, and throughout history government has attempted to enslave the general population. that is why our country was created to limit the power and scope of government, especially federal government, to keep the government out of peoples lives and desision making. this is because the founding fathers recognized that governments get tyranical, no matter the sytem of government it is. Our system was designed for the people to keep a close eye on the government and question eevrything they do. Nowadays everything they do is shrouded in secrecy, for our saftey.

yes, the new world order is real, yes the words have come out of george bush s.'s mouth in front of congress, many people talk about it. its not even a secret anymore. yet when people here those words they still automatically think "crackpot conspiracy theory" and dismiss any sort of thought or info about it.

"The truth shall set u free" -Jesus

the devils greatest trick was convinciing man he doesnt exist.

http://www.lastingnetworks.com/alex/
http://mysite.verizon.net/res7dhyg/id3.html

wow ive already gone on for another hour and a half, and thats not counting the book that i wrote and accidentally erased, which was way more organized.

but seriously guys its in our hands to make of this world what is best for all of us.

at least if u dont belive any of this stuff, go out and prove it wrong.

theer are infinite possibilities, its our choice wether to live in love and peace or to live in fear.

A HUGE helper is too turn off your TV. i remeber when i used to watch a few hours of TV a day after school, maybe play some games, and all i ever thought about was TV or my life as a TV hero or games, or how i could make such a better game than the one i was playing. This is all just distraction. Get outside, read your bible(something im still working on) WAKE UP AND EXPERIENCE LIFE FOR WHAT IT IS AND ALL YOU CAN MAKE OF IT!

dont make excuses, especially to yourself in your own mind, listen to your heart and listen to your gut. Dont be afraid to be yourself and dont be afraid to show people who you really are. we are all a lot more alike than u might think. Focus your energy on bringing happiness and truth and love to the people around you.

There is always a better way than war.

Dont let fear rule your life. We are all going to die someday, but while we are here we should make the best of it and dont waste your life.

One thing i can say for sure is that war doesnt bring happiness and it doesnt bring peace, while it may temporarily stop the killing becasue one side has taken complete control, it wont last and the peope who live under control live in fear and many of the conquered feel hate and resentment. In the words of Zach De la Rocha and Maynard "You can kill the revolutionary, but u cant kill the revolution"

And if we do bring this vision of a handfull of finacial and political elites into manifestation, ultimatley it will be our doing, not theirs. And we will have to live with the consequences, but not just us, our children and their children as well. We have already let the balance in power shift too far, its supposed to be power to the people, but everyone is so afraid it seems they are willing to give up their freedom and liberty for promised saftey. A sad set of affairs, but not one that has to last.

red pill or blue pill?





oh and actually i joined this site because i make maps for CS:S, though i am a nub at it, i just happened along this thread


Again im sorry to anyone i have offended, but puuting your head in the sand about this kind of stuff doesnt make it go away

And please wtch just one documentary on 911 made by an independent source,
dont just belive anything u here, or see. Facts are stuborn things, and they tend to support eachother.






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Posted by wil5on on Wed Nov 16th at 12:45pm 2005

Most people here I'm sure have already heard what youve said, countless times. I know I have.

Just because a documentary states facts, doesnt mean its stating all the facts. Just because a documentary is independent, doesnt mean its fair to all sides of an issue. In fact, being independent, its more likely to be promoting only one viewpoint.

Please don't watch just one documentary to understand the whole issue. Don't just beleive anything you hear, or see. Facts can be glossed over.

If you have any mapping-related contributions to make, youre welcome to make them. If you put as much effort into mapping as you do into your posts, you'll do well.




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Posted by Robot Santa on Wed Nov 16th at 12:53pm 2005

no none of these facts are fun. And since u asked i would use deadly force in defense of myself my family my friends and family, provided the assailants(s) had the intent to take life or liberty from me, my friends, or my family. And only if absolutley that is the only way to preserve life and liberty. I never use violence to act on emotion or to bring any kind of quick decisive end to any conflict.

Even IF we were doing what we said we were for the reasons we said we were it still is not the right way to go about it.

"give a man a fish and feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime"

have u ever heard the saying, "lead by example"?

If we teach our youth that war is glorious and the government always knows whats best for u, well, think about it.

Do we really want to live in a world where laws are based on morals. gays can't get married? why even bring that up in the world of law? ill tell u why, because of greed. money is why. becasue they wont be able to get certain benefits and apply for certain insurance and stuff. its sick. if we keep doing things like that pretty soon its going to be against the law to use "bad" words, and we'l all be under such surveylence they will probobly prosecute you for it. i mean think about it. in my city we already have face scanning cameras on traffic lights to identify terrorists, ya know for our saftey because ya never know where those evil terrorists might pop up right? maybe even in the back seat of your car! and if one does show up in your car dont you want the cameras on the street lights to be able to identify him so u can have the fastest possible police response?

everything has to do with profit nowadays.

many peoples actions are driven by greed.





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