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Posted by satchmo on Tue Nov 15th at 3:31am 2005

I was judging these CS:S maps with the same standards that we use at the SnarkPit, but it's like talking to a rock sometimes.

The moderator actually believes that some mappers are using full-bright intentionally as a legitimate way to brighten up the map. I couldn't believe what I was hearing.

Just look at that map above. These uploads are actually screened by the moderator. I can't believe that they allow such uploads. The screenshots are actually taken by the site moderators.

However, that site does get a huge number of hits/download. I guess the inherent popularity of CS makes that possible.




"The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return." -- Toulouse-Lautre, Moulin Rouge



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Posted by French Toast on Tue Nov 15th at 3:53am 2005

Damn CSians....

yeah...




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Posted by Naklajat on Tue Nov 15th at 4:38am 2005

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a lot of mappers are using full bright now for outdoor-style maps.

That makes me :'(
That is a *very* loose use of the term mapper. I barely consider myself a mapper, much less the people who pump out an unlit killbox a week. Funny that this phenomenon was never really "problem" until the Source SDK was announced so loudly. I'm not saying its a bad thing to have it more accessible, just that with so many more new people making maps, the ratio of experienced, dedicated mappers to "1337 mapzorz who maek kilboxez" has become smaller. And also with the compination of CS's popularity and the fact that you can make an unlit box with props in it fairly quickly at any level of experience, the game gets flooded with what I would call crappy maps.

What's worse is that bad mapping practices are reinforced by many people, like in the quote above.



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Posted by asterix_vader on Tue Nov 15th at 4:56am 2005

http://www.cstrike-planet.com/dlx/huds look! "KFS' Green HDU"

KFS: Kentucky Fried Shicken
KFS: Kung Fu Squirrel
KFS: Killer From Sky





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Posted by Gorbachev on Tue Nov 15th at 7:57am 2005

Rarely is the question asked: "Why is our children browsing 'aim' map forums?"




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Posted by Andrei on Tue Nov 15th at 9:47am 2005

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a lot of mappers are using full bright now for outdoor-style maps.


Hahaha! You know how I interpret this? "Vrad is un-cool now, you un-evolved n00b; get with the times!"
No, really, he sounds as if he were informing us of a great discovery in the field of gamedesign or something .




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Posted by Paladin[NL] on Tue Nov 15th at 10:34am 2005

Sad...I even stop using light_enviroment in a couple of my maps just for better looking lighting. Now spotlights are easier to use, I can get better lighting from those then a more bland looking light_enviroment.




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Posted by azelito on Tue Nov 15th at 11:48am 2005

What can I say, this is the home of the mapping elite.

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Ahaha, I was looking around at these maps in awe, when I suddenly bumped into a map that actually looked decent. I was shocked and amazed and thought that I had misjudged our fellow mapper comrades. That was until I saw the author of the map, satchmo. The map was de_justice.

The rest of the maps on that site is aim_ or fy_. Also, they're all crap.



"Azelito, stop being a f**king bitch. All I see you do is complain and insult people in your recent posts. We don't care, go find a razor you emo pansy..." -Windows98



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Posted by Crapceeper on Tue Nov 15th at 12:10pm 2005

What the heck. Even I think this looks like KFS (Kentucky fried s**te). Very bright doesn't mean there is an absence of shadows.

Get me the hell outa there.



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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Tue Nov 15th at 12:47pm 2005

I can't wait to hear "sebastians" response to your points satch.




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Posted by Biological Component on Tue Nov 15th at 1:01pm 2005

This is awful.



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Posted by Captain P on Tue Nov 15th at 2:20pm 2005

Someone who doesn't invest the time to understand lighting probably didn't invest time in the gameplay either. I avoid those maps like the crap they are.

Full-bright for outdoor maps? Oh, there's crates, too. And dust textures. That says enough...



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Posted by MisterBister on Tue Nov 15th at 4:06pm 2005

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a lot of mappers are using full bright now for outdoor-style maps.


Hahaha! You know how I interpret this? "Vrad is un-cool now, you un-evolved n00b; get with the times!"
No, really, he sounds as if he were informing us of a great discovery in the field of gamedesign or something .


Hahahahaha!




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Posted by Naklajat on Tue Nov 15th at 4:38pm 2005

? quote:

? quote:

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a lot of mappers are using full bright now for outdoor-style maps.


Hahaha! You know how I interpret this? "Vrad is un-cool now, you un-evolved n00b; get with the times!"
No, really, he sounds as if he were informing us of a great discovery in the field of gamedesign or something .


Hahahahaha!

Roger that, I got that feeling too. Not to rip on the guy or anything, he should just know what he's talking about before he says anything.



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Posted by Biological Component on Tue Nov 15th at 5:05pm 2005

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a lot of mappers are using full bright now for outdoor-style maps.



Hahaha! You know how I interpret this? "Vrad is un-cool now, you un-evolved n00b; get with the times!"

No, really, he sounds as if he were informing us of a great discovery in the field of gamedesign or something image .



Hahahahaha!


Roger that, I got that feeling too. Not to rip on the guy or anything,
he should just know what he's talking about before he says anything.



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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Tue Nov 15th at 5:12pm 2005

I have a question for Satch and the rest of you guys... what's the best place to release your CS map?

I mean, Satch was that the best release location you could find?

Not that I'll be able to work on any Source maps anytime soon, but I was just curious.




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Posted by satchmo on Tue Nov 15th at 5:16pm 2005

OMG, this map has the most masterful use of texture I have ever seen. And the lighting is simply amazing.

P.S. Make sure you have a vomit bucket nearby when you click the link.

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was that the best release location you could find?
I looked at a lot of CS custom map sites, and CStrike Planet is the best-maintained and most professional-looking of them all. I wish I could say the same about the quality of maps there.

But if you take some time to browse the map vault, there are occasional gems in there. You just have to be patient.



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Posted by Naklajat on Tue Nov 15th at 5:21pm 2005

In no particular order are the ones I would use:

http://www.csm2.net/
http://www.fpsbanana.com/
http://punkassfraggers.com/
http://www.counter-strike-dl.com/

Those are the ones I look for maps on. Definitely post it here first though and get it picked apart, this community has a lot more collective mapping experience and talent than any CS:S mapping community I've found.

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OMG, this map has the most masterful use of texture I have ever seen. And the lighting is simply amazing.

leet.



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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Tue Nov 15th at 5:22pm 2005

? quoting Jecre of cstrike-planet.com:
"I think it's a great map worthy of a 24/7 rotation."


I want to quote Mitch Hedberg when I say... get the f**k out!


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Baron, thanks for those links. I agree with your assessment of the SP.

? quoting Satchmo:
I looked at a lot of CS custom map sites, and CStrike Planet is the best-maintained and most professional-looking of them all. I wish I could say the same about the quality of maps there.

But if you take some time to browse the map vault, there are occasional gems in there. You just have to be patient.


Well, looking on the bright side, the preponderance of dross makes de_justice stand out.




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Posted by satchmo on Tue Nov 15th at 5:52pm 2005

Thanks, BvS. I joined csm2 and submitted de_justice to them.

CStrike Planet does get the most hits though. One plus for them is that mappers do not have to register with them to upload maps and make comments.



"The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return." -- Toulouse-Lautre, Moulin Rouge




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