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Posted by satchmo on Tue Dec 13th at 4:55pm 2005

I don't know how you all feel about capital punishment, but I believe there are criminals so vile and their crimes so heinous that justice cannot be served with nothing less than killing them.

In fact, I have different ideas for them, but the society would probably never accept these ideas. I want them to become guinea pigs for medical experimentation. A new drug? A new surgical technique? An inexperienced surgeon who needs more experience? Well, try it on these bastards first.

Instead of testing new drugs that might be toxic on college students who volunteer, why not use these human trash so that they can actually offer something to society and the greater goods?




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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Tue Dec 13th at 5:03pm 2005

I'm opposed to Capital Punishment. I think I may have said it before, but considering the fact that our justice system has made mistakes in the past, until we have the power to give life to the dead (who we unfairly executed) I don't think it's our right to take life.

As for the medical testing... I think the key word is "volunteer." Since college students volunteer, I don't have too much sympathy for them if something goes wrong. And the torture idea is pretty monstrous. I'd like to take the high road and have our government not sink to the level of the criminal.




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Posted by satchmo on Tue Dec 13th at 5:37pm 2005

But what about all those patients who can benefit from the medical testing? It's not just punishment.




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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Tue Dec 13th at 5:52pm 2005

Breaking a few bad eggs along the way to medical progress...

I don't know. Even though it's not nearly as bad as what the Nazi's did, the whole idea of "Medical Testing" on unwilling test subjects doesn't sit with me. As long as we have volunteers, what's the problem?




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Posted by Myrk- on Tue Dec 13th at 5:58pm 2005

I think testing is good, but surgey is a bit far. I think the death penalty should be reserved only for those with evidence such as video of the crime and undeniable facts.


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Posted by Mephs on Tue Dec 13th at 6:10pm 2005

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I think the death penalty should be reserved only for those with evidence such as video of the crime and undeniable facts.


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Posted by Andrei on Tue Dec 13th at 6:22pm 2005

I think compulsory blood/organ donation (relative to the severeness of the crime committed) would be good.
I'm not 100% for the capital punishment, though I do find myself sometimes yelling at the TV that X should be tortured to death and his mangled body let to rot in plain sight as a warning to others alla Tepes-style.





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Posted by Madedog on Tue Dec 13th at 6:58pm 2005

I think medical experiments and such would be a good thing. As well as blood and organ ... well, you cannot call it exactly donation *pfft*.

Also, if they are most certain of the guiltyness of the victim, undeniable facts (video or something), I think torture would be a good example for those who have thoughts about turning to "bad ways". Perhaps burning the bottom of the feet and then taping it and showing it in TV would be good example enough. Or sinking them in Sulphuric Acid... or HCl you know... I think those screams would be a perfect warning. I know I'm sadist, yes I do. I can't help it.

Anyway, uh... yeah, our punishment system is WAY too easy. Death penalties - only for those who have commited a crime not bad enough to be tortured to death. But for others - keyword: pain.


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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Tue Dec 13th at 7:06pm 2005

That's pretty barbaric, and to be honest I don't think that would discourage criminals. Criminals don't think they're going to be caught, so why would changing the punishment have any effect?




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Posted by Dr Brasso on Tue Dec 13th at 7:15pm 2005

he should be treated as mercifully as he treated his victims.........

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Posted by fishy on Tue Dec 13th at 8:03pm 2005

a good public thrashing would be enough of a deterent for most of the street scum/footbal hooligans/buskers etc.

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Posted by satchmo on Tue Dec 13th at 8:23pm 2005

There are circumstances where we can prove guilt without any doubt.

For example, I am pretty sure that Bin Laden is responsible for countless number of deaths in our time. If he's ever captured, we should use his body in some beneficial way.

The problem with medical testing is that we currently use healthy volunteers. Some of these drugs are potentially extremely toxic. And I rather have someone who is going to be killed anyway to suffer the adverse reaction than some healthy upstanding citizen.

I am always ambivalent about practicing my surgical skills on innocent patients during my medical training. As medical students, the only way to learn something is to practice on real people. There's really no way to replace that.

But I feel bad at the same time. Why should this guy suffer from my inexperience? He could've easily have the nurse or the other more experienced doctor perform the procedure and it probably would be a lot faster and potentially less uncomfortable.

I even had to practice incising and performing surgeries on real patients, but I always feel very bad afterward. I usually do an adequate job, but it takes me twice as long to do something compared to an experienced surgeon.

I 'd feel a lot better if the person I'm practicing on is a vile criminal who committed some vicious crime.




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Posted by Andrei on Tue Dec 13th at 9:02pm 2005

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I am glad the Terminator did not grant clemancy for a killer


Oh, wait: Tookie Williams! Now I understand why this thread was posted now of all days.




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Posted by ZombieLoffe on Tue Dec 13th at 10:29pm 2005

I've always believed, and will probably always believe, capital punishment is wrong. Killing is wrong, no matter how you do it. One might discuss the justness of locking someone up for life, but atleast it gives them a chance to continue. What if, years later, new evidence come up proving the prisoners innocence?

Furthermore, how is evidence ever 100% undeniable truth? There's no such thing. Videos and photos can be tampered with, witnesses can be bribed, documents distorted.
A secure way would be having a couple of hundreds clear-minded eye-witnesses at the crime scene, but even that isn't foolproof.

Stating that, I do obviosuly not like the idea of forced medical testing.



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Posted by Foxpup on Wed Dec 14th at 1:02am 2005

I say kill 'em, locking them up for life is expensive and cruel.


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Posted by Dr Brasso on Wed Dec 14th at 1:23am 2005

thats my serious voice fishman....

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Posted by wil5on on Wed Dec 14th at 4:02am 2005

I've not met a doctor with such a stance, then again, I rarely discuss politics with doctors.

I agree that these criminals should be put to good use. Medical testing is a good idea, as is forced labour. Perhaps they should be given a choice.




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Posted by Juim on Wed Dec 14th at 12:17pm 2005

Forced Medical testing seems a bit Nazi like IMO. He was a soul-less killer who got what he deserved. He refused to admit guilt or even apologize when at deaths door. The gang he helped start is responsible for countless hundreds of deaths,rapes,robberies, and god knows what other mayhems. I think the message here is clear, and a solid one by human standards. I think justice was served, albeit 27 years late.



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Posted by Andrei on Wed Dec 14th at 1:38pm 2005

Now that I think of it,the capital punishment is softer when compared to life imprisonment. What's execution, which in the worst case means about 30 seconds of pain , when compared to being trapped in a small cell for 60-70 years? I'd go mad.




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Posted by satchmo on Wed Dec 14th at 4:08pm 2005

This is the reaction from an eye-witness to Tookie's execution. He's a column writer for the LA Times.

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A Barbaric End to a Barbaric Life
Steve Lopez

In an odd way, the most disturbing thing about watching a man die by lethal injection is how discreetly death creeps into the room.

No sudden jolt, no snapping of the neck at the end of a rope, no severed head.

The inmate gets a shot, he closes his eyes, he sleeps.

The room where Stanley Tookie Williams was killed Tuesday morning is set up like a theater, with neat rows of spectators sitting or standing on risers to view the execution.

Late Monday night, as one of 39 witnesses, I was ushered past dozens of guards and prison officials and into the viewing area a few feet from the octagonal death chamber.

Before us in the stuffy little auditorium, the curtains were opened, Williams was led in by guards, and the midnight show began ? a dark, sinister, medieval drama in an archaic prison.

Never having witnessed an execution, I had tossed my name into the ring of potential spectators in order to see precisely what we're all a party to in a state that sanctions capital punishment. And now here I was, watching the clinical, calculated procedure used by the state of California to kill a man.

I watched the executioners struggle to tap a vein, digging into Williams' arms for minutes that seemed like hours. He was calm, if exasperated by the delay. Splayed out on his back and secured with tape and restraints, he lifted his head to study our faces, and he mouthed goodbyes to supporters who shared these close quarters with the relatives of his victims.

There was no apparent sign of suffering on Williams' part when the lethal injection did its duty. He lay motionless for several minutes before he was declared dead and the curtains were closed, show over.

"The state of California just killed an innocent man," three of his supporters shouted in unison.

That struck me as an insult to the families of Williams' victims. Of all the things Williams might have been, he wasn't innocent, and watching him die made me feel no differently about the man.

His victims, all four of them, were shotgunned as if it were a cheap thrill for Williams. And as one of the first Crips, he started something that destroyed everything in its path, bringing genocide to neighborhoods on top of all the other problems.



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