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Posted by satchmo on Sat Dec 24th at 4:12am 2005

I don't think anything related to FPS Creator has been posted at the forum yet. Have you guys seen or heard of it?

It jolts a shock of panic through my body as I learned of it (from a gaming magazine). The graphics quality is low, and the level design process prohibits creativity. Most importantly, it encourages mappers (if you can even call them that) to make boxy maps that lack vertical gameplay. However, this program allows any n00b to churn out a map in less than an hour.

I hope it never becomes popular. The biggest obstacle it faces is that it doesn't generate maps for any existing game engine. Consequently, there isn't an existing audience for the game itself.



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Posted by Underdog on Sat Dec 24th at 4:14am 2005

? quoting satchmo
I don't think anything related to FPS Creator has been posted at the forum yet.

No, but there was a thread about a random map generator for HL1. I never understood how it could create a functioning map but I did hear of it.




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Posted by satchmo on Sat Dec 24th at 4:26am 2005

This is NOT a random map generator. The user has total control over how the map will turn out. However, there are just a lot of inherent restrictions in the editor, in order to make the whole process simpler.



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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Sat Dec 24th at 4:27am 2005

A few words sprang to mind as I looked through the site:

Boring.
Generic.
Dumbed-down.
Cookie-cutter.
Ugly.
Limited.

I really don't think something like this will catch on. If there was technology in this product that surpassed what was offered right now, perhaps people would buy it... but from what I could tell it looked like level editor that came with Marathon.




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Posted by wil5on on Sat Dec 24th at 4:27am 2005

I doubt this program will have a bad effect on our Half-Life community. An editor so simplistic is unlikely to interest good mappers, however, its likely to draw away the n00bs who seem unable to read compile logs and figure things out on their own. In any case, I doubt it will become popular.




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Posted by satchmo on Sat Dec 24th at 4:33am 2005

What I worry about is that this editor will prevent a beginner mapper to ever become a good mapper. It really sets the standard low. The maps it generate look like a throw-back to Quake II.

Imagine if you have never heard of mapping, and you saw this program first. You would think this is a gift from God. And perhaps you would never dip your hands in real mapping, and never realizing your true potential.



"The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love and be loved in return." -- Toulouse-Lautre, Moulin Rouge



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Posted by Underdog on Sat Dec 24th at 4:36am 2005

? quoting Addicted to Morphine
A few words sprang to mind as I looked through the site:

Boring.
Generic.
Dumbed-down.
Cookie-cutter.
Ugly.
Limited.

I really don't think something like this will catch on.

One word springs to my mind however. "KILLBOX"

you just described a killbox and look how popular they are. There truly are enough stupid people to make anything popular.




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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Sat Dec 24th at 4:39am 2005

Edit: @ satchmo:
I dunno... judging from the website it looked like the program would frustrate and scare off anyone who had a serious desire to create something.

You know what it's like? One of those "dress-up" magnet sets... how many times can you dress up "David" before you get bored?

I highly doubt we'll lose any mapping prodigies to this hokum.




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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Sat Dec 24th at 4:43am 2005

? quoting Underdog:
One word springs to my mind however. "KILLBOX"

you just described a killbox and look how popular they are. There truly are enough stupid people to make anything popular.



Edit: Good point... I hadn't even realized the similarities, but you're right. I described killboxes exactly. The only reason why I don't think you can compare FPS creator to killboxes in HL2 is: killboxes are just s**tty maps made for a great game and a great engine.... whereas things made by FPS Creators looks like s**tty maps made for a s**tty game / engine / whatever this is. The foundation isn't there...




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Posted by Underdog on Sat Dec 24th at 4:45am 2005

? quoting Addicted to Morphine

The foundation isn't there...

The foundation is "Stupid People"

Seems to be a commodity that is never in short supply.

But, I get your point.




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Posted by OtZman on Sat Dec 24th at 5:01am 2005

Wow, beautiful!

Especially the ceiling texture. The floor isn't bad either.

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It took me less than 10 minutes to get a level with multiple enemies, room, weapons and interactable objects working

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As its name implies this is a tool for creating action-packed FPS games with no programming or 3D modelling knowledge required.


So, this program is used to pump out FPS games? I bet those games will turn out amazing.

Seriously though, I doubt whatever a program like this one is ever going to be able to create will exceed the real thing, made by people who love doing it. Think about all the ingenious games out there. A program like this can't create something like that.



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Posted by satchmo on Sat Dec 24th at 5:02am 2005

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One of those "dress-up" magnet sets... how many times can you dress up "David" before you get bored?

Hey, I got that magnet from my brother before I left for my honeymoon in Italy. <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">

Currently, he's wearing a t-shirt but with no boxer.



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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Sat Dec 24th at 5:09am 2005

Haha typical doctor, always making people take off their pants! :P




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Posted by OtZman on Sat Dec 24th at 5:11am 2005

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Posted by G.Ballblue on Sat Dec 24th at 6:48am 2005

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Wow, beautiful!

Especially the ceiling texture. The floor isn't bad either.


Gah. If that's all this program can do, here's what I have to say:

I can build a better looking Doom map with more realistic lighting. And Doom didn't actually have "light" so to speak.

Honestly: Who are these guys trying to kid? Maybe people who have never really dabled in game development will find it interesting -- kinda like the Genisis3D11 which was what I was first ever introduced to (yup, WorldCraft came afterwards, and it was a God send from that hideous-joke-of-a-map-editor Genisis!)

Edit:

I wanted to show you that because apparently, the website feels that is a screenshot to "pimp off" their editor.

I have the amazing urge to write something very negative about this program, but I've got no idea what to say :x



Breaking the laws of mapping since 2003 and doing a damn fine job at it



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Posted by fraggard on Sat Dec 24th at 8:27am 2005

Has anyone tried out the demo?

Also, check out the showcase forum for some h0tt visual pwnage. omglOLZ!!1eleven




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Posted by Andrei on Sat Dec 24th at 8:44am 2005

I don't see what the problem is. People aknowlede the final product, not the way it was made. A blocky map will always be dissed by the ones who's opinions really matter.




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Posted by SpoolE on Sat Dec 24th at 10:37am 2005

Grrrrr! These kind of things really piss me off!!


Unlike proper games and mapping, you cant do any complex archaetecure. Its pretty much like mapping for Doom1. And the graphics are appaling. All the maps end up as linnear boxes with windows. What I dont understand is how they say, "You can make commercial quality games." WTF! From the screenies all the levels have no sense of detail or intrest. Everything is just corridors and rooms. You can have complex details and archaetecture such as in Half-Life. Only bare corridors and monsters.


Check the picture on the right. Disgusting!!

"Create multi-level games (up to 50 levels)"

What if I dont wanna make a game that has levels! What about like Half-Life, or Battlefield 2?



Wtf, it is a sqaure room with repetitve sprites.

" Q: Can I have rooms above other rooms? Or dungeons / cellars?
A: Yes absolutely! You can create levels up to 20 floors height."

Wtf!! So your "map" has to be limited to floors and levels. How bloody boring!!

" Q: What about massive landscapes like in Joint Operations?
A: As much as I'd like to see terrain in there, it's not going to happen for a while. FPS games vary in their inclusion of terrain a lot - Doom3 had none, while Far Cry sort of has it, but it's still an enclosed area, so it's fake in a way. Joint Ops had what we would term as "massive terrain" (hundreds of KM map). Painkiller on the other hand was totally enclosed, but still had lots of outdoor areas. Right now we're concentrating on that "enclosed" type of game. Which means yes you can model full outdoor scenes, you just can't have the player roaming over hills and mountains."

" Q: Can you make cool weapons like those motion detecting bombs from Half Life?
A: Yes. A motion-detecting bomb would be an entity that tracks the distance of the player, triggers an explosion causing player damage, and then destroys itself."
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Everyone on that site (Judging by avatars and speech) seem/sound to be about 11/12 years old.

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Well, this is the new generation of game desing :X
Gone are the days of skill, dedication and commitment. Gone are the days of hours mapping with skill, learning complex languages, with the result of truly awsome games. All has been replaced with L337 12 year old's making their little monster-flooded killboxes in an hour. It seems to be the same condition with mapping.



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Posted by Vash on Sat Dec 24th at 10:39am 2005

Why are you just noticing this now? The internet is full of freeware engines; it isn't a shock. This program can be good, in ways, where you are forced to use limited technology to build something. Therefore utilizing it in the best way possible teachs you something about dedicated work towards a goal.

Graphics aren't everything. Everyone has to start somewhere. I tried this and deleted it (which I knew would happen when I clicked Download), but freeware engines still intrigue me - I want to do a project using one of them (possibly Ogre 3D or something along those lines) creating just a basic game, offering nothing new to the FPS genre or gameplay in general.

As much as you hate and despise this program, it isn't going anywhere. True, thousands of people will possibly download this, make a box and then release it as "Journey through Madness Part One: My Boxed in Mind", but that isn't the point. Most of them will find the process enjoyable and divulge deeper into the hobby while others will yell "WHAT IS A LIGHT" and uninstall the program.

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Well, this is the new generation of game desing :X
Gone are the days of skill, dedication and commitment. Gone are the days of hours mapping with skill, learning complex languages, with the result of truly awsome games. All has been replaced with L337 12 year old's making their little monster-flooded killboxes in an hour. It seems to be the same condition with mapping.


Because the community today is honestly nothing at all like that. We all f**king wear top hats and s**t diamonds.






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Posted by SpoolE on Sat Dec 24th at 10:55am 2005



"Because no n00b is a good n00b."

Take that for irony, someone had this as their signature in the forums!


Message submitted 13 minutes after original post:

"Physics: 10/10 - Better than most commercial games, but sometimes too good! Simply the best game engine ever created!" ? A genuine opinion by Chris B (FPSC User)"

Of course! Crappy games with junk engines such as battlefield 2 and Half-life 2 can never beat a 5 minute kill-box!



I would love to change the world, But they would'nt give me the source code.




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