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Re: Munich
Posted by satchmo on Tue Dec 27th at 9:22pm 2005


The 1984 book, Vengeance: the True Story of an Israeli Counter-Terrorist Team, purports to tell the story of the hit squad, as narrated to Canadian journalist George Jonas by a former self-described Mossad agent, Juval Aviv, who says he was the leader of the squad. Aviv's account of the operation has not been independently verified. In December 2005, Steven Spielberg released a movie called Munich , based on Vengeance, whose main character, Avner, played by Eric Bana, is based on Aviv, and which carries the opening title card "inspired by actual events."

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If anyone of you know about the event or watched the movie, I want to know what you think. Were the Israelis justified to exact revenge on the terrorists? I certainly support the notion of standing for yourself and fight back if necessary.




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Posted by Dark Tree on Tue Dec 27th at 10:14pm 2005


"An Eye for an Eye" is what the Bible says (I think). I saw Munich 2 nights ago. 7/10. It is a good movie that doesn't take sides. But anyway, I wouldn't ever justify killing, as the revenge is just about as bad as the first people who did it in the first place. The First killers of the 1972 Olympic team probably killed them in some sort of a revenge, in a deranged way.

also, the movie is supposedly not all that accurate, but most movies arent....which is why they are called MOVIES and not DOCUMENTORIES....anyway, good movie.





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Posted by satchmo on Tue Dec 27th at 11:46pm 2005


Wow, you're a tough critic. A good movie only deserves a 7/10 rating.

I would give it 9/10.




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Posted by Nickelplate on Tue Dec 27th at 11:49pm 2005


I know what happened, but I haven't seen the movie.

I think killing is bad. All the time it's just bad.




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Posted by Biological Component on Wed Dec 28th at 4:45am 2005


I think killing is good. I am happy that some farmer killed some chicken somewhere so that I could eat my Subway sandwich for lunch today. I am glad that my body is able to kill the viruses that get inside it. And I also agree with the way Bruce Willis killed Alan Rickman at the end of Die Hard.

Die Hard --- 8.6/10

killing --- 9.3/10




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Posted by Nickelplate on Wed Dec 28th at 5:16am 2005


Alright, smart alek!

You know i mean killing of people. lol

We cannot survive without killing SOMETHING, be it plant or animal. We can't survive on minerals alone! So, yeah I am thankful today for the cows in my hamburger and beef Lo Mein, the apples in my apples, the grapefruits in my grapefruit, and the carrots taht gave thier life so that I could have carrots today.




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Posted by Forceflow on Wed Dec 28th at 10:00am 2005


? quote:
Alright, smart alek!
You know i mean killing of people. lol
We cannot survive without killing SOMETHING, be it plant or animal. We can't survive on minerals alone! So, yeah I am thankful today for the cows in my hamburger and beef Lo Mein, the apples in my apples, the grapefruits in my grapefruit, and the carrots taht gave thier life so that I could have carrots today.


Nice try, but killing people is something completely different than pulling a carrot out of the ground.



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Posted by Myrk- on Wed Dec 28th at 10:37am 2005


I'm also thankful for this lovely human brain I am eating as of now...

/makes hanibal sucking sound




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Posted by satchmo on Wed Dec 28th at 4:48pm 2005


Do you like fava beans with your brain?


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Posted by Nickelplate on Wed Dec 28th at 5:32pm 2005


No, goofball. You eat Fava beans with human LIVER and a nice Chianti... duh.


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Posted by Forceflow on Wed Dec 28th at 8:30pm 2005


You lucky American bastards already have the opportunity to watch "Munich". Release date for belgium is set on the 26th of january.


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Posted by Crono on Wed Dec 28th at 9:20pm 2005


It's only in limited release actually. So only "big" cities get a copy. I forget how the limited release works ... does the film cost more or something? Juim, have any insights?


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Posted by Orpheus on Wed Dec 28th at 10:24pm 2005


? quoting Nickelplate

I think killing is bad. All the time it's just bad.

Have not seen the movie so I have no opinion on it, I do however see several reasons where killing is not only justified, but essential.

Practically speaking, one cannot live without doing so, but thats not exactly what I meant either.





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Posted by Nickelplate on Wed Dec 28th at 11:31pm 2005


You don't have to kill other PEOPLE to be able to live. Yeah, you have to kill animals and plants, but THAT's okay.


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Posted by Orpheus on Wed Dec 28th at 11:35pm 2005


? quoting Nickelplate
You don't have to kill other PEOPLE to be able to live.

Not to be able no, but there are many who deserve it none the less.

Now is prolly not the best time to discuss it since I am so tired, but my views on capitol punishment are pretty rigid. Not to mention personal vendettas that need resolved.





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Posted by French Toast on Thu Dec 29th at 12:37am 2005


Killing people: Bad!

If you really hate someone enough to kill them, lock 'em up in a prison for life. It's worse.




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Posted by Nickelplate on Thu Dec 29th at 12:54am 2005


? quoting Orpheus
? quoting Nickelplate
You don't have to kill other PEOPLE to be able to live.

Not to be able no, but there are many who deserve it none the less.

Now is prolly not the best time to discuss it since I am so tired, but my views on capitol punishment are pretty rigid. Not to mention personal vendettas that need resolved.

"Many who live deserve death, but many who are dead deserve life: can you give it to them?"

I think until you can give life to those who are dead, you shouldn't take life from those who are alive.




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Posted by Orpheus on Thu Dec 29th at 1:22am 2005


? quoting French Toast
Killing people: Bad!

If you really hate someone enough to kill them, lock 'em up in a prison for life. It's worse.

For who? The asswipes who hand out rights to every Tom,Dick and Harry have made prison a shadow of what it once was. I agree that not every offense is death worthy, but those that there is NO DOUBT at all should be gone. I do not want one once of my tax dollars supporting them. I would sooner give my money to a church, and thats a concept I absolutely despise.

Anyway, there are some who deserve it. No amount of mushy mouthing it away will alter that.





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Posted by Tracer Bullet on Thu Dec 29th at 1:33am 2005


・quoting Orpheus
・quoting French Toast
Killing people: Bad!

If you really hate someone enough to kill them, lock 'em up in a prison for life. It's worse.

For who? The asswipes who hand out rights to every Tom,Dick and Harry have made prison a shadow of what it once was. I agree that not every offense is death worthy, but those that there is NO DOUBT at all should be gone. I do not want one once of my tax dollars supporting them. I would sooner give my money to a church, and thats a concept I absolutely despise.

Anyway, there are some who deserve it. No amount of mushy mouthing it away will alter that.

Good to "see" you!

And now to disagree...

it is my understanding that it actually costs less to support a criminal for their whole life in prison than it does to go through the process of obtaining the death penalty... I don't know where I heard that, and I've no idea if it's true, but it seems like a point that is worth looking into. In general, I'm not in favor of the death penalty for one simple reason: what if you make a mistake? s**t happens, and sometimes innocent people get convicted. Death is such a... permanent punishment. If at some point down the road it is proved you didn't do it, they can't exactly release you!

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Now that I've read the rest of the thread... I'd say the revenge, whatever form it takes, is always bad whether there is death involved or not. The question is, how do you separate revenge from justice when they are so often intimately intertwined? in general, justice is done by an impartial third party, but that can be kind of hard to find in international relations.





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Posted by fishy on Thu Dec 29th at 1:37am 2005


if jailing someone is worse than killing them, and in many respects i believe it is, then why isn't there the same demand for an equal level of rock hard and completely undisputable proof before someone gets locked up, as there seems to be for execution?


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