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Posted by Crono on Sat Dec 15th at 9:26pm 2007


So, I'm not a consumer now? Is that how that works? I look forward to coming technology, but I will never like the price tag. I'm also NOT an early adopter (These are the graphics cards I've had: Banshee, GF2, GF4, GF7. CPUs I've had have about the same type of leaps) That means, about every two or three years, I upgraded, and the reason I went from the GF2 to GF4 was because my GF2 died (the fan stopped working, I didn't know, and now lots of the memory is permanently damaged)

Does anyone remember when there was a difference between a VGA card and a Graphics Card? You think there's a minefield of bad cards out now!? Try buying a card, that costs the same amount, that has no 3D acceleration and, remember, warranties weren't very common and stores didn't really take computer parts back unless they were defective.

Give me a break. The way technology is today, it is spoon fed to the consumer to try to make things as simple as possible, so that a number or letter code will tell them how suitable the card is for their use. Guess where you can find out what each of those, three or four, codes mean? The chipset manufacturer's site. If you want to complain about naming, complain about motherboard names, those things are ridiculously cryptic, and I would agree with you if you complained about that. But this is just baseless. It seems like you had a bad experience or something and you've generalized the entire market by it (Maybe because you live in Austria and prices are exuberant there? Keep in mind, that isn't the manufacturer's fault)

Things are so easy now. SO easy. The generations have always grown in the same pattern and they've always been in the same price range. People, for some reason, expect their hardware to stay at the absolute top for far too long. This was never excepted before, people were content in running games at the maximum ability their machine could run them and upgrading happened when they wanted to play something their computer couldn't run. A lot of people still do that now, and it's even more annoying to hear them complain that their 5 year old video card can't run BioShock, because they have Pixel shader 2.0 and it requires 3.0 and they think that's an "outrage".

There are a lot of really good indie games out there, now.



Blame it on Microsoft, God does.



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Posted by reaper47 on Sun Dec 16th at 4:06pm 2007


Please read this:

http://compreviews.about.com/od/video/a/GraphicsMayhem.htm

It's not what I base all my arguments on, but it was one of the first things to pop up when searching for "graphics card prices over the years" in google.

I also never said that I want to play Unreal 3 on my (excellent and carefully chosen) old graphics card, I just said that the PC game market is going down and with it PC gamers are treated as second-rate customers over console gamers. Which is a fact. Any other statements, especially the purely subjective view of graphics card naming being inscrutable for the average customer without hour-long comparison of website-spreadsheets, as well as the habit of leading game publishers to advertise their games with excessive hardware requirements were just examples for what else could be the cause of the PC becoming a less attractive platform for gamers.

I enjoy my indie games, I really do. But I'd also like to see a Deus Ex sequel that doesn't have all its core features removed just because the required buttons wouldn't fit on an XBOX controller.






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Posted by Crono on Sun Dec 16th at 11:47pm 2007


I didn't say prices aren't more, I said they're relatively the same. As for debut prices, I don't think anyone here is honestly willing to pay that ... but those aren't the only options. There are cards that are fairly low priced that can play games well even if there's some new card out that's $600+.

You're argument, up to this point, has been disgruntled PC gamer complaints. So, please forgive me if I confused your analyzation with complaining ... it wasn't exactly clear. What you're saying now, is completely different then what you were saying before.

Before, you were complaining that games, like UT3, require more and more expensive graphics cards compared to ten years ago ... that isn't true and that's what I was trying to get across.

If, instead, you were talking about these general changes in the market that seemed unsettling because you felt the PC gamer was being treated unfairly compared to the console gamer (which, is only true if you look at it in a certain aspect) ... these are two completely different arguments.

If you had originally stated what you're stating now, I wouldn't have had a problem with it.



Blame it on Microsoft, God does.



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Posted by Orpheus on Mon Dec 17th at 10:33pm 2007


WOW, this thread was on page 43 last time I posted in it and now its on page 65.

Recently annoyed. I have no real access to the net. I buy.. BUY UT III and behold that its made to use nVidia cards. I think "KOOL, I have a 7800..." The f**king game has issues and you need to have drivers NEWER than the ones I have...

Anywho.... I got them and now have hopes of playing it.





The best things in life, aren't things.



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Posted by Le Chief on Mon Dec 17th at 10:46pm 2007


Seriously, at this day and age, you can pretty much access the internet from all over the world. Of all countries, America, how come you can get internet at your house?

Welcome back btw <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_cool.gif">






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Posted by Orpheus on Tue Dec 18th at 12:10am 2007


Internet connections within the USA are indeed available everywhere... As with the entire world I would imagine. However one must take into account "Feasibility and/or Gain"

Where I live I have a few options.


  • Dialup
  • Satellite
  • WiFi

Dialup is out of the question. I refuse to go back to it. Snarkpit, and the world as a whole are not going to fully understand the limitations imposed as a 56k user. I have no interest in battling either for this comprehension anylonger.

Satellite requires a 600 dollar upfront monetary donation for the hardware.. I haven't 600 bucks.

Wifi is available but it has a 2 year commitment contract and is 55 dollars a month. I am debating this option now since I have a 15 day free use of this connection. It is faster than dialup but MUCH slower than DSL.

DSL by-the-by should be here sometime in 2008. I am hopeful.





The best things in life, aren't things.



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Posted by Le Chief on Tue Dec 18th at 12:23am 2007


Hay, I have dial-up. You cant play online games, but you can certainly browse the internet and download over night. Even if you use it till you get proper internet.





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Posted by Juim on Tue Dec 18th at 12:32am 2007


Orph!. Been away from these forums a few days, and you pop back up out of nowhere!. Good to hear from you.



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Posted by Orpheus on Tue Dec 18th at 12:59am 2007


? quoting Juim
Orph!. Been away from these forums a few days, and you pop back up out of nowhere!. Good to hear from you.

Missed you too buddy ol pal. In fact, I missed everyone lots and lots. <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">

Aaron, I simply cannot go back... I have been offline for months now. MANY MONTHS. I miss it, but not nearly enough to go back to dialup.

Truth be told, I have been playing many of my old games again. From Civ 4 to Quake 4 and many others.

I have had lots of fun with them and my son even got me an expansion to Civ 4 under the ol' tree waiting for Christmas to be played. :P .





The best things in life, aren't things.



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Posted by Le Chief on Tue Dec 18th at 1:04am 2007


Ahhhh sounds nice Orph. Seems like you got a good life to keep you entertained. But you know, once all your websites are cached, its not that slow.





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Posted by Orpheus on Tue Dec 18th at 1:13am 2007


? quoting aaron_da_killa
Ahhhh sounds nice Orph. Seems like you got a good life to keep you entertained. But you know, once all your websites are cached, its not that slow.

Until someone posts a gig sized image.

Nope... I refuse to go back. We got a call last week saying that the limit of the DSL line is only 2000 feet from my door. They should be able to expand sometime in 2008 to include my residence..

I'll wait.

Snarkpit got a long without me this long. It will survive indefinitely if need be. In fact, things look spiffy and quiet enough that my currently being here seems... Over-rated.





The best things in life, aren't things.



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Posted by Le Chief on Tue Dec 18th at 1:19am 2007


seems?





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Posted by Orpheus on Tue Dec 18th at 1:27am 2007


? quoting aaron_da_killa
seems?

Highlight it Aaron. <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/heee.gif">





The best things in life, aren't things.



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Posted by Le Chief on Tue Dec 18th at 1:41am 2007


Very clever Orph.





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Posted by Orpheus on Tue Dec 18th at 10:08am 2007


Something else I noticed:

Civ 4 is the better game in the Civ saga, as far as graphics go, but they omitted some key elements that made the previous versions great.

For nostalgia reasons I loaded Civ II to play and couldn't get past the flatness of it, and soon uninstalled it again. Even the fact that I knew it was the better game couldn't entice me to continue.

I did notice that playing 4 took little less than a day to complete. Even if I protractedly took my time to win through "Goodness" and had all the other Civ's voting me winner. Most of us know that winning that way is about the hardest.

I played Civ II games upward of two weeks for a single game. Some would call that tedious, but thinking about it myself I'd have to disagree because most of the tedium was simply setting up the infrastructure of the worlds. Thats no more tedious than say as RPG and its "Hack/slash.. Pick up gold... Go to town... Return to hack/slash... Repeat..." <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif">

My biggest, and only real complaint was that there was no coastal defenses in Civ 4. The stupid computer players always took advantage of this by placing untold numbers of ships off my shores ant attempting to bash my walls into undefensiveness. Yeah, I was almost always advanced enough to bomb their wooden ships with my bombers, but dammit I missed my coastal defense advance. <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/sad.gif">

I did however like the addition of the barbarians making themselves much more than a simple/major annoyance. They actually build cities now. Not just wander the globe causing mayhem. I found entire continents with little more than barbarian cities. That was a nice addition. AND they were almost always invariably the best computer players, as far as advancing in techs. They were almost always just behind me, where the other computer players were decades if not centuries behind.

Civ II will be missed, but Civ 4 is good enough.. For now.





The best things in life, aren't things.



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Re: Recently Found
Posted by Crono on Wed Dec 19th at 1:44am 2007


Hell has frozen over


Blame it on Microsoft, God does.



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Posted by Gwil on Wed Dec 19th at 1:50am 2007


Someone left a comment on that Duke story... made me chuckle!

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BY TEHMARK AT 03:41 PM

Can't wait till it sucks more than Daikitana




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Posted by Crono on Wed Dec 19th at 1:57am 2007


Yeah, I think it'll have trouble holding its own in today's FPS market unless they do something drastic then get ridiculed by fans for changing things from the already flimsy premise of the series.

They should release all the other versions of the game with it and call it the Duke Nukem Forever Anthology, just to run with the embarrassing joke of development time they took. It would do nothing, but help them by marketing it as a staple in video game history.



Blame it on Microsoft, God does.



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Posted by Orpheus on Wed Dec 19th at 2:07am 2007


? quoting Crono

They should release all the other versions of the game with it and call it the Duke Nukem Forever Anthology, just to run with the embarrassing joke of development time they took.

I agree, just for curiosity sake. I'd think that they could release them as betas if nothing else.

I am not real sure how many times they started over or even what engine they are presently using but I'd like to see the Quake and Unreal versions.

I looked at Unreal 1 the other day. It still looks good. Especially compared to the early versions of Quake and HL1 from the same era.

I don't think they truly got far enough in the Quake version to have anything playable however, so an anthology might be out of the question.. *shrugs*





The best things in life, aren't things.



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Re: Recently Found
Posted by FatStrings on Wed Dec 19th at 9:09am 2007


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IObO7aSMhYM




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