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Posted by Andrei on Sun Jan 29th at 10:41am 2006


Whilst typing random characters in firefox?s address bar, like I always do when I?m bored, I happened to come across this (PDF).

According to this, a guy will get paid for the exact same amount (and quality) of work less than some, let?s say, Austrian because he had the nerve of being born in Bulgaria. And this doesn?t only apply to non-EU members, like the before-mentioned EE nation. A worker from Greece will get less pay than a German ,for instance, both being in the EU. This sounds like outright ethnic discrimination if you ask me. And where? Right in the European Commission?s back-yard. Can someone please explain to me (in layman terms) what I'm missing? There has to be a punch-line in there.





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Posted by pepper on Sun Jan 29th at 11:23am 2006


You are correct, but its not ethnical discrimination. Why's that you might ask?

Because we all live in a different country, with different taxes, different education's, different health system, taxes etc. etc.

Imagine i would get 500 euro's a day for managing a computer network, and a guy from, poland would get 250 euro's for.

Why is that different?

A simple reason, inflation.

The loans in a country are being calculated on a starting amount, usualy quite old. Each your there is a so called inflation, this is the growth of the economy with the raise of the loans, this can not be a negative amount or a country is in big trouble.

Another important part is the education. In modern european country's(Germany, France, England etc.) the education is usualy quite a high standard, au contrait with country's like bulgeria, poland etc. how better the education how more money you get.

Prices are also a important factor.
Imagine i want to buy a bread here, and it would cost 1.50 euro's. Then there is a big chance that it would cost only 75 cents in poland.

That is one of the reasons you cant compare the BNP and NNP of country's in money(Euro's, Dollar's Pounds etc.) But in a Percentage(%), This is usualy calculated with a Index number.

In real life there are a lot more factors that should be taken in the calculations, though sometimes you ignore them as variables and assume there a steady actor.

I find this rather hard to explain in english, so if someone would be wiling to shed a better light on this.

Note: Each country is allowd to decided the loans in % from the last year, so you cant say a Polish worker should earn as much as a Dutch worker. Even though they both live in the european union.

In my oppinion it was a really bad idea to let the east block country's in the EU. Racial discrimination? Not at all, the one and only sole purpose we build ot the EU was to protect the Economy of the rich EU country's. And by allowing the East Block country's a free transport of goods and persons through Europe we cant protect the Economy.

EDIT: Economics arent there to be fair, its a dirty game to get the most out of your own country.




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Posted by Andrei on Sun Jan 29th at 11:47am 2006


But when I, a Romanian, decide to get a job in Germany it means that i'll have to move and live there (for a while) as to be able to attend to it. And still being a Romanian citizen i'd get the pay designated to those coming out of this country inspite of the fact that, by moving to a country like Germany, I would find myself forced to adapt to the local economy. I'd have German-standard prices, except that I'd get less pay than a local would, had he the exact same job me. This is pretty much how I saw the problem at first-hand.




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Posted by pepper on Sun Jan 29th at 4:41pm 2006


? quoting Andrei
But when I, a Romanian, decide to get a job in Germany it means that i'll have to move and live there (for a while) as to be able to attend to it. And still being a Romanian citizen i'd get the pay designated to those coming out of this country inspite of the fact that, by moving to a country like Germany, I would find myself forced to adapt to the local economy. I'd have German-standard prices, except that I'd get less pay than a local would, had he the exact same job me. This is pretty much how I saw the problem at first-hand.

No, unseless your illligal, wich i assume is not, then your employer should pay you atleast the minimum loan, i dont know how much that is though. But you will also have a lot more expenses etc.

the european commision can at most set a standard or a recommendation for the loan in a country, each country has the right to manage their economy as they like.




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