Notice I am not using blue text. This is not your thread, nor your site. Good thing really since we would have shot you ages ago and took it over.
Posted by Orpheus on Sat Feb 4th at 6:32pm 2006
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Posted by Monqui on Sat Feb 4th at 6:37pm 2006
You posting obnoxious red text telling everyone to stop posting isn't really going to prevent people from posting. People want to discuss this, and discuss they shall.
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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Feb 4th at 7:10pm 2006
/giggles
No! Heaven forbid. " SRC="images/smiles/icon_wink.gif">
As for my name not being Fishy, not at the moment its not. I am betting that with his assistance, it could be.
*whispers to fish*
Quote me, but use your name.
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Posted by Nickelplate on Sat Feb 4th at 7:19pm 2006
Hindus kill over it (yep, Hindus!)
I don't disagree entirely with some points on muslim attitudes and how Islam dictates "conversion or die", but to portray some of the most published and well known problems as involving Muslims, is merely another way of saying "it's their fault" - when it clearly isn't.
Also i'd wager the way our nations have acted as recently as the 20th century in conflicts seen and unseen commited some pretty horrendous acts and atrocities against our enemies. How about The Luftwaffe/Bomber Command for murdering of civilians? I know it's not exactly a context where you can draw parallels, but it is fair to say that both situations are warfare. Warfare - that which brings out the worst in mankind.
The only time the Jews ever killed other people is when they were conquering another land in biblical times. They didn't tell them to convert or die, they said, "Get out of the land we want" and they killed them.
I've never heard of Hindus killing anyone, can you gimme an example please?
The thing about the Luftwaffe and all that is that they were governed by an Atheist force, and they weren't trying to convert anyone either, they just wanted everyone else gone. True, war brings out the worst in people, but why do THESE people have to be in a CONSTANT war with EVERYONE ELSE?
I think that the only way to stop the "bad muslims" from doing crap like this is to make sure we publicly find thier remains, and drop them in a vat of pig's blood, thus sending them straight to hell, for everyone to see. Every time they do something to innocent people, we don't need to bomb and kill thier innocents, we need to take the guilty and make them "unclean" so they can't get into heaven with those 70-some virgins that they are always killing themselves for. Why kill THIER women and children with bombs just because they killed ours? that's not right. I say Pig-blood 'em! IF they know that this will happen to them every time they suicide bomb a place, they sure as hell won't suicide bomb.
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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Sat Feb 4th at 7:41pm 2006
I just took a class on the partitioning of India. When the British split India and created Pakistan there was a lot of communal violence involving Muslims and Hindus. I can't remember the exact figures, but thousands of women were raped, and whole villages exterminated. The violence was perpetrated by both Muslims and Hindus during the very unstable, chaotic, and emotional period of partitioning.
Maybe fraggard knows more about what happened. I tried to look the events up on the wikipedia, but all factual accuracy of the articles was in dispute.
Posted by Gwil on Sat Feb 4th at 7:55pm 2006
Again, i'm not talking about conversion - and even if I was, a lot of these Muslim factions that carry out atrocities aren't even aimed at conversion, they are based in rebellion at what is viewed as Western values, and more importantly Western interests and stakes in the Persian Gulf. In both the "peace treaties" offered to the USA and Europe, Bin Laden made it a condition that western forces and their allies, and business interests remove themselves from the "holy lands"
Hindus killing Muslims, I think for the other point - riots in India/burning of a mosque a couple of years ago. Don't remember the ins and outs, but it happened, and has happened before.
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Posted by Monqui on Sat Feb 4th at 8:02pm 2006
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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Feb 4th at 9:33pm 2006
This may, or may not have been brought up but...
When something so minor, leads to something so major, there is an underlying reason no one has mentioned yet.
Things never truly escalate from trivial to massive unless there are a series of trivialities that go uncorrected.
Course, some peoples just relish chaos and will join anything thats even remotely destructive.
*shrugs*
There is something missing in this puzzle. I refuse to believe its simply a case of cartoon humility. ![]()
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Posted by jeffjohnvol on Sun Feb 5th at 1:02am 2006
My earlier post about the Muslims not pulling their ambassidor's is obviously not true any more. I saw where in Syria the protestors climbed the walls and set the embassy on fire. That's not Syrian property, but Denmark soil.
As much as I support their right to protest, if they had gone into the US or UK embassies, you'd have some dead muslims.
I'm glad the US is staying above the fray and not joining in the drawings though. Be looking for a lot of moohommed pictures on websites. Muhommed avatar's, anyone?
Posted by fraggard on Sun Feb 5th at 3:57am 2006
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1845817.stm
The destruction of the Babri mosque (1992) - One of the holiest islamic monuments in India existed in one of the holiest hindu lands (Ayodhya). An Indian political party, fundamentalist hindu at that time, took it upon itself to destroy the mosque. It was destroyed and the local police couldn't stop it. People believed that the administration did not stop it because of their own religious leanings, and this set off riots all over the country.
Graham Staines's murder - This australian christian missionary and his two young sons (14 and 9) were burnt alive in his car for allegedly converting hindus to christianity. Didn't incite riots, but I point this out because of the talk about conversion.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/264326.stm
Ethnic Cleansing in Kashmir - There have been many allegations of systematic killings of Muslims by hindu military personnel in Kashmir.
Things that no Indian can possible be proud of.... Also, ATM is right. You can't believe anything you read on the internet about religious conflict in India. It's like the China-Tibet affair, almost everything you see is opinion disguised as information.
The BBC articles I could find are the best in the short time I've searched. I couldn't find anything for the Babri masjid event because it's quite old. I'd suggest reading up news articles from decent sources (i.e. not FOX news) and making up your own mind.... The only Indian newspaper I know of that prints unbiased news doesn't have proper archives on website, so I can't point you out to better information.
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Posted by fishy on Sun Feb 5th at 4:02am 2006
images are forbidden in islam. and if i don't misunderstand the 4th commandment, then judaism, and by default, christianity, are also meant to frown heavily upon them;
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth
western culture has decided that "thou shalt not kill" is the biggie, probably because western governments like to keep a monopoly on that. but muslims have an even poorer sense of humour than germans, so they can aford to get heavy on the cartoons.
insulting ANYONE believed in islam to be one of gods prophets would cause problems, even jesus. i remember seeing islamic protesters on the news when 'the passion of christ', a film that had a scene of jesus having a horny dream, was released.
Posted by Monqui on Sun Feb 5th at 8:57am 2006
Is idolatrous even a word?
Meh.
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Posted by Orpheus on Sun Feb 5th at 3:50pm 2006
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Posted by Orpheus on Sun Feb 5th at 10:34pm 2006
Fishy is your second account, isn't he? Good try. But not good enough!![]()
Although Fishman and I have finally figured out our respective places in terms of our friendship for each other, I find the thought of him being me a bit disturbing.
Please do not even insinuate that again.
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Posted by fishy on Mon Feb 6th at 1:49am 2006
Fishy is your second account, isn't he? Good try. But not good enough!![]()
Although Fishman and I have finally figured out our respective places in terms of our friendship for each other, I find the thought of him being me a bit disturbing.
Please do not even insinuate that again.
damn straight. thanks for telling him off for me, Orph. 
Posted by Dr Brasso on Mon Feb 6th at 3:27am 2006
spoken like a "true joined at the hip" brother....///runs
Doc B...
but honestly...isnt this one of the most overindulgent scenarios youve seen?...they are just making grounds to pick a fight with a percieved "western" country...i understand to a point, but this borders on the undefendable and ridiculous. bah..... shame on you.
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