I wasn't quoting the Quran myself, I pasted a section from the from a site which I linked to for reference. I don't know if its accurate or not. I don't have a copy so I can't look it up myself. I just said it was interesting reading. I'm glad you added another perspective though.
I don't think the bible is any better. I did some looking online and found this, perhaps you can tell us if it matches your printed version:
[60:5] Indeed there is a good example for you in Abraham and those who were with him when they said to their people, 'We have nothing to do with you and with that which you worship beside Allah. We disbelieve all that you believe in. There has become manifest enmity and hatred between us and you for ever, until you believe in Allah alone' - except that Abraham said to his father, 'I will surely ask forgiveness for thee, though I have no power to do aught for thee against Allah.' Their prayer was: 'Our Lord, in thee do we put our trust and to thee do we turn in repentance, and towards thee is the final return;
I found the reference above in the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community website http://www3.alislam.org/showChapter.jsp?ch=60
The muslim community is overeacting, i mean, its a sketch. I've seen dozen of sketches that humiliated jesus and simulair symbols.
I mean, getting upset about a sketch is a tad bit over the top.
I assume you are referring to my post, and I know you have had enough of this topic but... I would be interested to see what the 60:5 actually says. I don't discount the possibility that it is "fake", but I'm not going to take your word about it. I do think that the little bit of it that was referenced without the whole was taken out of context. Other phrases below it (60:6 etc) showed a more peaceful attitude on who to disrespect and who not to based on how they treat islam, not because of them *not* being islam.
I assume the site is blocked at your place of business. If its blocked coming into your country, I don't know how your community could ever understand the concept of freedom of speech and it just shows why the US should never give away oversight of ICAAN (internet) to the UN. I can see it now, a group of freedom haters (China, Arabic non-democracies, etc) blocking whole sections of the internet. I could only see control being granted to a bloc of countries that have freedom of speech as part of their constitution.
All valid points. Of course countries should be able to block content as they see fit. I was concerned with countries pushing their views or censorship on other countries. What is considered morally standard in France may be considered vulgar in Iran (nudity on public TV, etc). (Note, Iran is not Arab, just an example)
TBH, I am not familiar with Dubai so I should not have lumped them in as oppressive states. I do know Saudi Arabia during my time there and although I understand their right to be that way, I don't want them deciding what's appropriate for the rest of the world with regard to the internet.
Or how about this, any country that reimburses the US for the billions spent to develop it in the first place can have oversight. Sorry to get off topic. I'll shut up.
100% Agreement here.
IMO, the likelihood is no more or less a probability than any other country's chances at this point. I am not predisposed to terrorism so my thinking is a bit harder to establish, where motive is an enticement but, I cannot see any pattern when it happens. Terrorist seem to just seem to want to do it. Its like dogs that chase cars, no matter how many get squished, they just seem to want to continue doing it as a breed. The main problem with dogs, and terrorist for that matter is, the ones doing it so often die that there is no learning precess. The next dog chases the car and dies without passing on the learning experience of "Hey guys, those big things hurt you"
/passive thoughts.
IMO, the likelihood is no more or less a probability than any other country's chances at this point. I am not predisposed to terrorism so my thinking is a bit harder to establish, where motive is an enticement but, I cannot see any pattern when it happens. Terrorist seem to just seem to want to do it. Its like dogs that chase cars, no matter how many get squished, they just seem to want to continue doing it as a breed. The main problem with dogs, and terrorist for that matter is, the ones doing it so often die that there is no learning precess. The next dog chases the car and dies without passing on the learning experience of "Hey guys, those big things hurt you"
/passive thoughts.
As late as yersterday, the police/government/someone/whatever found a homepage where someone stated that "I'm going to bomb myself in Denmark" with some pictures of streets in Copenhagen bound to the message.
Personally, i think it's only a question of time, since even before this comic was made, Denmark was allready threatened by terrorist, mainly because of the Iraq war. And now that the comic came, there's an even bigger chance.
So for me, the chances are that Denmark is going to be an offer for a bomb, it's only a question of time. And i would almost say that it's a fact, that SOMEONE out there is planning a terror action on Denmark, succes or not!
Anyways, at lest some good news! Muslims in Denmark have accepted Jyllands-postens so called "apologize", though that wouldn't be the exact word i would use. Now they are planning to send someone to the Islamic countries and blah blah, i have to go now!
Looks like the Europeans are taking sides.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4670370.stm
Here's a hypothetical: What if Germany were to say, "the UK stinks and are a bunch of losers". UK starts to boycott German products and France were to stand up and say "how dare you boycott". I mean, its not like the Muslims are recalling ambassadors or getting ready for war. They can buy whatever products they prefer. I realize it may be unreasonable for them to punish a whole country for the state owned newspaper, but what other option do they have. If they associate the paper with the views of other Danish people, Denmark needs to do something to seperate themselves from that view. If they do share the view of the paper, Muslims have every right to boycott.
it was on the national news here tonight, showing french muslims immigrants/students/hippies burning danish flags on the streets of paris. why they would have a can of petrol and a danish flag is a mystery, but the camera crew must have been really lucky to have found them at the very moment the petrol was being poured.
why this was passed as being newsworthy, is also a mystery. none of the images were shown, so it wasn't a show of solidarity with the danish, french, dutch, and some other european countries that have reproduced them in the wake of the protest. it seemed to be aimed more at causing a knee-jerk reaction by joe puplic, along the lines of, "wtf's wrong with these muslims". tbh, i thought the way the story was presented was a lot more sinister than the original cartoons.
I just wanna start by covering my backside and saying. "I don't hate muslims." Now that I've said that, I can start hatin' on muslims. Not really. EVERY religion gets cruel humiliation! The USA is a "Christian Nation" and even CHRISTIANS get humiliated. The only thing that is different here, is that the muslims don't seem to realize that there are some people who DON'T beleive in God and don't CARE. It's most of those people that are the liberal douchebags that are always trying to "push the envelope" like Michael Moore.
I read a story in the news today that quoted a Muslim leader as saying "If it had been about a Jewish Rabbi, it never would've been published." But I think it would have been. Some rock music guy wore a shirt on his tour that said "ABORT CHRIST." There was no huge backlash. Only the Muslims seem to make trouble on an international level when something like this happens. They want all the political correctness of a wester country, but they don't want the responsibility and they dont want to give thier people the rights.
Freeman: so you're saying that people being nice is not good if they are religious? you'd just say we are evil for being not nice, if we were mean to you. Personally, I think your whole post was you trying to find resons NOT to like the GOOD religious people, when you really can't find a good reason.
