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Posted by Nickelplate on Thu Feb 2nd at 5:56pm 2006

Actually dark|Killer, I hope you DO post more on this topic. Id would be interesting to hear your perspective. I don't know that many people from the middle-east, you're one of about 3. keep posting!

BTW, he was calling GOD a bastard, not you. But you don't see me "boy-cutting" stuff from UK. I just love Heinz Treacle too much!

Anyway, God created the fire. But most likely it was started because of sin.

I don't know how many times I have to explain this, so I'll go get my quote on it.

? quoting Nickelplate
I'll quote something I've said before that applies:

In the bible, Abraham was told that God was going to give him a son and that the son would become a great nation. Abraham got tired of waiting for God, so he and his wife Sarah, took things into thier own hands and decided that Abraham should impregnate Hagar, Sarah's maidservant. Her son was Ishmael. Then a bit later, Sarah also became pregnant and had Isaac, whose descendants are the tribes of Israel.

God also said he would turn Ishmael into a great nation. Ishmael's descendants are the people who we now refer to as "Muslims." Pretty much everyone ranging from Iraq down to Saudi Arabia.

Because of Abraham's sin of adultery with Hagar, People even now are suffering because of these people who are the direct result of his sin. I wanted to write this to explain that this is why bad things happen to good people. Because God gave Abraham free will, and by his free will he chose something that resulted in bad things happening to good people. If God took away the consequences of Abraham's actions, then he may as well have not had free will to begin with. This is the answer to the question I'm SO sick of hearing: "Why does such a loving god let bad things happen to good people?"

It's not only because of thier sins, It's because of the sins of others. Just like we are ALL paying for abraham's sin because now we have to deal with these muslim Extremists. Also, this is the reason why Christians try to SPREAD the gospel... Not to piss ppl off or to get more money (stuff i've heard, really) They do it because they don't like ppl going to hell, and they want them to go to heaven and be nice ppl and stuff. see? The decisions you make will not only affect you, but your children too. and thier children and so on. Because if god takes away the consequences of your actions, then did you really have free will to begin with?

Anyway, it's our free will that results in sin. And the bible says "For the wages of sin is death," and it's true.





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Posted by Dark|Killer on Thu Feb 2nd at 6:55pm 2006

But nickelplate, I had enough of this post, in the end, its leading to no where, so i cant find it so intresting to full-fill my needs..


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Posted by HazardGameR^ on Thu Feb 2nd at 8:52pm 2006

? quoting Nickelplate

? quoting Dark|Killer
Well, what denmark made, is really cruel, they humilated us so badly, by drawing our prophet and making fun of our religion, islam, and or prophet, mohammed, and i heard that they are truely burning the denmark flag, plus boycotting loads of products, which i really liked ie choclates and cheese products...
But the problem here is that none of our leaders stand up against that act...

Well, that drawing really made me mad,its all over emails talking about denmark, the drawer,and the drawing itself...
also, i didnt like the way they humilated us, its not the first time, for we had alot of other cruel humilation against our religion...

I just wanna start by covering my backside and saying. "I don't hate muslims." Now that I've said that, I can start hatin' on muslims. Not really. EVERY religion gets cruel humiliation! The USA is a "Christian Nation" and even CHRISTIANS get humiliated. The only thing that is different here, is that the muslims don't seem to realize that there are some people who DON'T beleive in God and don't CARE. It's most of those people that are the liberal douchebags that are always trying to "push the envelope" like Michael Moore.

I read a story in the news today that quoted a Muslim leader as saying "If it had been about a Jewish Rabbi, it never would've been published." But I think it would have been. Some rock music guy wore a shirt on his tour that said "ABORT CHRIST." There was no huge backlash. Only the Muslims seem to make trouble on an international level when something like this happens. They want all the political correctness of a wester country, but they don't want the responsibility and they dont want to give thier people the rights.

Freeman: so you're saying that people being nice is not good if they are religious? you'd just say we are evil for being not nice, if we were mean to you. Personally, I think your whole post was you trying to find resons NOT to like the GOOD religious people, when you really can't find a good reason.

I can't agree more, they are international troublemakers (some of them).
Just tell me, WHY does almost EVERY conflict in the world include MUSLIMS?!
Just think about it, 9/11, abductions, those drawing, Iraq, almost everything!





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Posted by Kain on Thu Feb 2nd at 9:14pm 2006

Muslims have no sense of humour... I'm sure the Prophet himself would have appreciated that joke.

If this boycott continues, I feel that a lot of things "are gonna be rotten in the kingdom of Denmark"...





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Posted by KoRnFlakes on Thu Feb 2nd at 9:59pm 2006

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if someone is trapped in a building on fire, its his fate, and he cant change it, so at that moment, he is in between the hands of God..
And God created fire for different uses.For instance, using fire in a wrong way, would most probably cause trouble...In contrast, using it in the right way, you would most probably avoid getting hurt...

And please, dont call me a bastard, i said i didnt want this topic to ruin the friendship between us all...

-Anyway this is all off the topic...


I was reffering to god. although the fate thing makes me wish I hadnt tbh.



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Posted by Gwil on Fri Feb 3rd at 12:41am 2006

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Just tell me, WHY does almost EVERY conflict in the world include MUSLIMS?!


So Iraq had links to Muslims directly as fanatics, and was made out of their choice?

A secular state by Arabic standards invaded illegally, and on the basis of lies, by prominent western states..

So Palestine chooses to be shelled, occupied and controlled by Israel?

A recognised homeland repartitioned through UN guilt, a new power exacting religious and racist genocide which it so suffered from in the 30s/40s..

So Iran is wrong to be opressed by a theocratic government?

A state exploited at first by the west then maligned because they didn't toe the line? Didn't play ball with capitalist marketing and pricings for the good of the markets..

You clearly have no idea what youre talking about. Muslims aren't the evil that you portray them to be.

ALMOST EVERY CONFLICT THAT INVOLVES MUSLIMS IN THE WORLD IS A DIRECT RESULT OF COLD WAR AND UN MEDDLINGS, INTERFERENCE AND ATTEMPT TO CONTROL STATES.

DONT s**t ON THE COUNTRIES THAT YOU s**t ON, STIRRED IT AND THEN RAN AWAY AND SAID "FREEDOM OPPRESSORS!"

THAT'S "WHY"



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Posted by G4MER on Fri Feb 3rd at 2:41am 2006

All your religions are but of mine.. So bow down suckers..

PAGANS.. thats right.. your all basterd PAGANS.. except for you there in the corner.. were not quite sure what you are yet



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Posted by Nickelplate on Fri Feb 3rd at 3:32am 2006

? quoting Gwil
? quote:
Just tell me, WHY does almost EVERY conflict in the world include MUSLIMS?!



So Iraq had links to Muslims directly as fanatics, and was made out of their choice?

A secular state by Arabic standards invaded illegally, and on the basis of lies, by prominent western states..

So Palestine chooses to be shelled, occupied and controlled by Israel?

A recognised homeland repartitioned through UN guilt, a new power exacting religious and racist genocide which it so suffered from in the 30s/40s..

So Iran is wrong to be opressed by a theocratic government?

A state exploited at first by the west then maligned because they didn't toe the line? Didn't play ball with capitalist marketing and pricings for the good of the markets..

You clearly have no idea what youre talking about. Muslims aren't the evil that you portray them to be.

ALMOST EVERY CONFLICT THAT INVOLVES MUSLIMS IN THE WORLD IS A DIRECT RESULT OF COLD WAR AND UN MEDDLINGS, INTERFERENCE AND ATTEMPT TO CONTROL STATES.

DONT s**t ON THE COUNTRIES THAT YOU s**t ON, STIRRED IT AND THEN RAN AWAY AND SAID "FREEDOM OPPRESSORS!"

THAT'S "WHY"

I like your text formatting.

a lot worse happened to north and south american indians, and I don't see THEM saying that "the great spirit" is telling them to bomb stuff. I don't hear pre-roman age European peoples saying "Uath tells us to bomb stuff!" or "ODIN ODIN!! JIHAD!"

Basically EVERY kind of person at one time or another has been shat on, and every type of person has been the one doing the s**tting. It's how they are handling it that is evil. Guerrilla tactics, suicide bombs, Hijacking planes.

Yes, pretty much every religion says that every OTHER religion is wrong, but Muslims are the only ones who wanna kill over it. Everyone else is trying to peacefully convert ppl, IF they are converting at all!




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Posted by Gwil on Fri Feb 3rd at 6:58am 2006

Jews kill over it.

Hindus kill over it (yep, Hindus!)

I don't disagree entirely with some points on muslim attitudes and how Islam dictates "conversion or die", but to portray some of the most published and well known problems as involving Muslims, is merely another way of saying "it's their fault" - when it clearly isn't.

Also i'd wager the way our nations have acted as recently as the 20th century in conflicts seen and unseen commited some pretty horrendous acts and atrocities against our enemies. How about The Luftwaffe/Bomber Command for murdering of civilians? I know it's not exactly a context where you can draw parallels, but it is fair to say that both situations are warfare. Warfare - that which brings out the worst in mankind.




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Posted by Dark|Killer on Fri Feb 3rd at 12:29pm 2006

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Posted by jeffjohnvol on Fri Feb 3rd at 1:21pm 2006

? quoting Dark|Killer
Well, i know i already said i didnt want to post in this topic anymore, but i just wanted to point out something for you freeman, if you were saved by the firefighters, you would say that they saved you, right ? not God...But how did they put the fire off ?? using water...And how did they get water, from oceans and lakes etc.. now the real questions is... Who created Water ?? well obviously, God did, so if God didnt create water, there wouldnt be any oceanlakes etc. , (and so we cant live anyway ) and the firefighters wouldnt have found anything to turn the fire off with...

So I could do this small summery God--->Water--->Firemen use it---> save your life..

Thats how you could think correctly, and wont be a fool

You have to predispose that there is some mystical being called God that created the water. If you believe it God, then so be it, if not, it sounds to us like a person with a belief that expressed his opinion on how it is, and the rest of us just roll our eyes.




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Posted by Leperous on Fri Feb 3rd at 1:37pm 2006

My understanding is that Islam forbids depicting Mohammed in any way, solely to prevent idolatry, which is clearly not what's going to happen from this negative portrayal of him. However I'm sure most of the anger is simply directed at the cartoon meaning to cause offence to all Muslims by suggesting that they're all suicide bombers or terrorists, rather than just at them breaking this rule. But I'm afraid that I have to agree with the editor of that Jordanian paper who was fired for suggested that executing people on TV is a far worse offence that a set of drawings, and, from an Atheist standpoint, it saddens me to see such a massively unintelligent and over-emotional response so far from the vocal parts of the Arab world who follow a religion even more flawed than Christianity. /free speech

(I hope someone understands the real point I'm trying to make here :P)





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Posted by Gwil on Fri Feb 3rd at 1:40pm 2006

It was put well on Radio 4's Thought of the Day (by a Rabbi, incidentally) -

Free speech is the right to express ideas such as these cartoons, but it is not an obligation to deliberately inflame tension.

Paraphrased, but that's the general jist.




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Posted by jeffjohnvol on Fri Feb 3rd at 1:58pm 2006

? quoting Leperous
My understanding is that Islam forbids depicting Mohammed in any way, solely to prevent idolatry, which is clearly not what's going to happen from this negative portrayal of him. However I'm sure most of the anger is simply directed at the cartoon meaning to cause offence to all Muslims by suggesting that they're all suicide bombers or terrorists, rather than just at them breaking this rule. But I'm afraid that I have to agree with the editor of that Jordanian paper who was fired for suggested that executing people on TV is a far worse offence that a set of drawings, and, from an Atheist standpoint, it saddens me to see such a massively unintelligent and over-emotional response so far from the vocal parts of the Arab world who follow a religion even more flawed than Christianity. /free speech

(I hope someone understands the real point I'm trying to make here )

Good point about the hostage executions versus the drawings. Perhaps they should post the drawings for a week everytime someone is executed by the insurgents. If the Islamic community put as much pressure on those killers of innocent hostages as they do on Denmark produce, the problem would be solved. No, I'm not suggesting that the Islamic community promotes the killings, but they sure don't seem to be complaining that much about it (endorcement by silence). Or at least our press doesn't show any Islamic outrage over the hostages anyway.




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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Fri Feb 3rd at 4:32pm 2006

I haven't been able to read all the replies in this thread, but after reading a few newspaper articles on the subject, I wanted to chime in.

This is a really sticky issue, becuase I don't see how western notions of free speech can be reconciled with what the religous consider to be blasphemous.

I don't think telling Muslims to "lighten up" is really the solution. I know that the extreme and violent reactions of Muslims all over the world (in Indonesia for example... it's not just a Middle East thing) shows that this is a very serious offense in their eyes... which is something I don't think everyone is willing to see. Personally, I very much believe in free speech, but I wouldn't want to say something (or draw a cartoon about something) that would succeed in seriously offending millions of people.




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Posted by jeffjohnvol on Fri Feb 3rd at 10:39pm 2006

From a libertarian website speaking of hypocrisy:

  • Muslims fly commercial airliners into buildings in New York City. No Muslim outrage.
  • Muslim officials block the exit where school girls are trying to escape a burning building because their faces were exposed. No Muslim outrage.
  • Muslims cut off the heads of three teenaged girls on their way to school in Indonesia. A Christian school. No Muslim outrage.
  • Muslims murder teachers trying to teach Muslim children in Iraq. No Muslim outrage.
  • Muslims murder over 80 tourists with car bombs outside cafes and hotels in Egypt. No Muslim outrage.
  • A Muslim attacks a missionary children's school in India. Kills six. No Muslim outrage.
  • Muslims slaughter hundreds of children and teachers in Beslan, Russia. Muslims shoot children in the back. No Muslim outrage.
  • Let's go way back. Muslims kidnap and kill athletes at the Munich Summer Olympics. No Muslim outrage.
  • Muslims fire rocket-propelled grenades into schools full of children in Israel. No Muslim outrage.
  • Muslims murder more than 50 commuters in attacks on London subways and busses. Over 700 are injured. No Muslim outrage.
  • Muslims massacre dozens of innocents at a Passover Seder. No Muslim outrage.
  • Muslims murder innocent vacationers in Bali. No Muslim outrage.
  • Muslim newspapers publish anti-Semitic cartoons. No Muslim outrage
  • Muslims are involved, on one side or the other, in almost every one of the 125+ shooting wars around the world. No Muslim outrage.
  • Muslims beat the charred bodies of Western civilians with their shoes, then hang them from a bridge. No Muslim outrage.
  • Newspapers in Denmark and Norway publish cartoons depicting Mohammed. Muslims are outraged.



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Posted by fishy on Sat Feb 4th at 1:10am 2006

i agree with freeman. let's all be quiet, in case we offend anyone.

bah, all this s**t done in the name of islam WILL be be blamed on islam, until 'real' muslims have the balls to stand against what is happning in the name of their god.

if they don't, tensions can only increase.




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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Feb 4th at 2:01am 2006

? quoting fishy
i agree with freeman. let's all be quiet, in case we offend anyone.

One problem. What do we do when no one has posted in a single thread for a few weeks?

*makes mental note to update contact list*





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Posted by HazardGameR^ on Sat Feb 4th at 9:51am 2006

? quoting jeffjohnvol
From a libertarian website speaking of hypocrisy:

  • Muslims fly commercial airliners into buildings in New York City. No Muslim outrage.
  • Muslim officials block the exit where school girls are trying to escape a burning building because their faces were exposed. No Muslim outrage.
  • Muslims cut off the heads of three teenaged girls on their way to school in Indonesia. A Christian school. No Muslim outrage.
  • Muslims murder teachers trying to teach Muslim children in Iraq. No Muslim outrage.
  • Muslims murder over 80 tourists with car bombs outside cafes and hotels in Egypt. No Muslim outrage.
  • A Muslim attacks a missionary children's school in India. Kills six. No Muslim outrage.
  • Muslims slaughter hundreds of children and teachers in Beslan, Russia. Muslims shoot children in the back. No Muslim outrage.
  • Let's go way back. Muslims kidnap and kill athletes at the Munich Summer Olympics. No Muslim outrage.
  • Muslims fire rocket-propelled grenades into schools full of children in Israel. No Muslim outrage.
  • Muslims murder more than 50 commuters in attacks on London subways and busses. Over 700 are injured. No Muslim outrage.
  • Muslims massacre dozens of innocents at a Passover Seder. No Muslim outrage.
  • Muslims murder innocent vacationers in Bali. No Muslim outrage.
  • Muslim newspapers publish anti-Semitic cartoons. No Muslim outrage
  • Muslims are involved, on one side or the other, in almost every one of the 125+ shooting wars around the world. No Muslim outrage.
  • Muslims beat the charred bodies of Western civilians with their shoes, then hang them from a bridge. No Muslim outrage.
  • Newspapers in Denmark and Norway publish cartoons depicting Mohammed. Muslims are outraged.

AHAHAHAHAA! Good point

Got an idea, how would the world be if every muslim turned into Christians/Non-believers/Whatever?

Nah, maybe a little drastic...





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Posted by Andrei on Sat Feb 4th at 10:45am 2006

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THE fast-food chain, Burger King, is withdrawing its ice-cream cones after the lid of the dessert offended a Muslim.

The man claimed the design resembled the Arabic inscription for Allah, and branded it sacrilegious, threatening a "jihad".
The chain is being forced to spend thousands of pounds redesigning the lid with backing from The Muslim Council of Britain. It apologised and said: "The design simply represents a spinning ice-cream cone."


It's old, but made my laugh my tomsils out.





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