While I absolutely hate every islamist fundamentalist (and fundamentalism in general), there are a few facts I'd like to point out, in favour of (moderate) muslim culture:

1- There are hundreds of turkish and persian representations of the prophet, dating from the Ottoman Empire. (of course they didn't show him with a bomb)

2- Christians and Jews are "the people of the book", and no christian or jew was ever converted by force to islam; only pagans were.

3- The aim of Jihad is to "defend the muslim faith", whenever it is threatened, and NOT converting everyone to Islam, especially not christians or jews, since Islam is the continuity of the first two monothesit religions.

4- While the Coran forbids drinking alcohol, one of the most famous arab poets during the Abbassid empire (Abou Nuwass) has written practically all his poems about wine and women, and was never arsed by any calife.

5- While Islam forbids the representation of any living being, all the ornaments of Alhambra palace, the pearl of Andalusian architecture, are sculptures of lions and other animals.

These points are only to prove that the problem doesn't really come from Islam: I don't think there is something fundamentally wrong with the Coran. But what is completely unacceptable is fanatism! Just like in the middle ages, they burnt a lot of people in the name of christianity, something similar is happening with islam right now....

lol....its a curse jon.. ya gotta get it where ya find it, especially when ya need it...

oh btw, i neglected to tell ya my mower is a rider ....hows that for engineering??../////runs

Doc B...

kain....and all others educated in the islamic faith.

yer linkage is b0rkd sir.....

Doc B...

Hehe, welcome back Orpheus! " SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif"> I love this guy!! (in a purely non-gay sens of the word...).

And Ruy Diaz, welcome aboard! Debates are always fun, even/especially when someone is hard to convince, or not convincible at all!

AnotherDenmark.org and We Are Sorry.

You have got apologies from the newspaper, several ministers from the Danish government, and now also from the public...

I can't see what more you could ask for?

Peace

(Just click English in the upper right corner if AnotherDenmark appears in Danish)

I dont believe that the sites are posted are aiming their apologies at terrorist leaders " SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif"> (I am a Dane myself)

For my own two cents, I would have to simply say that neither side has the right to wave flags and speak for "the people."

The concept of democratic freedom is as much a cultish mindset as that of being some kind of martyr to god. Both sides are immovable but the question is not of opinions, but rather who the propagandists are.

The Danish newspaper are not the voice of Denmark or Europe, they are a bunch journalists that tried to shift copies by using controversy. That's their job, despite all their flag waving and "freedom" ranting, for all intents and purposes they were selling something. If they were that devoted to this censorship "cause" they would have surely had some kind of march or demonstration, or at the very least handed out their paper for free. Didn't happen.

Similarly, while many Muslims found the idea of the cartoons offensive, the actual ones crying for blood have their own political agendas, and fighting in the name of god is a cushy way to get people to join them.

Who wants to be against "God", or "Freedom"?!

Well I say f**k you both, I don't have to choose a side just because Danish Hacks and Muslim Dictators draw a line in the sand. Neither speak for me, or for that matter the majority of the world. I don't particularly care and you can't make me untill someone declares war.