once its in the "public domain", "steal" the whole s**t and shebang, after that, i have no real problem........that means ive gotten all i expected to out of that one sold cd, and the rest of the points are actually mute....

and you know you dont have to steal from me, i'd gladly copy and give to my friends....see any hypocrisy? hmm....i dont, since i put the work into it.....capice?

Doc...

Herein lies the crux of the matter methinks.

At what point does any product become "OPEN?"

I mean, does a song ever become available for free distribution? Does a game? Does anything of the aforementioned categories ever not be in the state of "Copy righted material?"

You see, thats my main issue. People who make these things think they own them for life. and... Thats just wrong. A lot of people, put millions into the development of my automobile, yet, I can do anything I wish with it. A lot of people put millions into my television millions into my washer. Hell millions went into my food as far as production processes and developing hybrid crops yet, they have no copy rights that are so far reaching that they actually extend INTO MY HOUSE!

What makes music and software so freaking special that they can redefine the rules to suit them?

It anyone can explain this one concept to me and not sound biased, I'd surely be appreciative.

[edit for simultaneous posting] Fish, I just peed more volume than in my entire life. That was.. well needed.

ok.... i make an audio cd....i work on it and polish it for a year....i think its good, irregaurdeless of your personal" musical" critique.....it is still in MY domian....i sell that one copy to you, it is now in "the public domain, in at least one instance....as far as im concerned......as i said, imho, you bought the rights to do with it as you please.....coasters, gifts, frisbees, whatever.....i have my 1/10th of one percent.....thats about what?.....10 cents per copy? i'd have to sell a million copies just to break even (these are general numbers, and not entirely accurate, but not far off either) .....now.....you start selling pirated copies, i cant even pay my debt for the making of the cd off....and that pisses me off....sure, the damn songs are getting mucho airplay, running up the charts, and im a broke ass mutha because, you are taking my money....money that i worked damn hard to make....and thats all i ask.....i dont want residuals from you, i dont want props, and i sure as hell dont want a fruit basket for my trouble....granted, a fruit basket may feed the ole girl for a day, but im still gonna talk about ya.... " SRC="images/smiles/icon_wink.gif">

once its in the public domain, i should have theoretically made my money off you. theoretically.....and if i have, then i have nothing else to say about "that one copy i sold to you"....

respect jon.....thats the biggie for me....if you want my cd, and you dont respect me and my work (it aint all play man)enough to pay for it, then we have a problem.....

hope i helped.....yer up jon..." SRC="images/smiles/heee.gif">

Doc B.....

Nickel, you can beg and/or differ all day through, I don't really care. All that you just said is, IMO perfectly true, but.. It has nothing to do with what I posted. I have no trouble with people accusing me of things. I do have issues with people who omit their own wrong doings in doing so.

Now, this is a general comment but it stems from a discussion that I had with a certain Snarkpit member years ago who claimed to be innocent because he didn't "Make it a habit of obtaining MP3's" While other people did it frequently.

I personally see no distinction what so ever. If you did it once, and I did it 100's of times, then we are both equally as guilty of obtaining copied material.

Now, if you still see your comment as the same thing, I cannot explain it any clearer.

and Doc, I understood you the first time. Somehow though, I was infuriating your point without meaning to. If it helps, I'll buy your cd and burn it in effigy. As long as you get your piece of the pie, I am happy.

*sighs and counts to ten*

Then why are you differing with moi?

Nevermind, don't answer that its not important. You can do anything you wish and I am not in any position to argue.

i've pondered the morality of buying stolen goods from shoplifters. on the face of it, it's bad. but if you consider that on average, stores inflate their prices buy more than 10% to cover the cost of shoplifting, would it be justifiable for me to accept stolen goods, as long as i don't buy in excess of 10% of what i've already paid for in the shops? (my shop purchases will have already paid the shopkeeper for the stolen goods)