Would you Punish, or Pray?
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Re: Would you Punish, or Pray?
Posted by Nickelplate on Thu Mar 9th at 6:19pm 2006


AtM: "acceptable behavior" is different for different people. For me, it's waiting until I'm married. For other people, it's up to them to decide, because it's their body.

ReNo: okay, you guys are reading it kinda wrong. A kid walking across the street is a PERFECT metaphor.

A child is playing near a bend in the road and could just as easily stay on his side, but he decides that it's an acceptable risk to cross and have more fun or look cool on the other side. If he runs across without looking, and he gets hit, yeah, he deserved to get hit because he recklessly ran across. This is like bangin' some random hooker or girl from your college that you dont know.

If he looks both ways and then crosses, he shouldn't think he is completly safe because a car can come around that bend at any time. This is like "safe sex" and with people you know.

If he get's hit EITHER time, he deserved it because he took a stupid risk when staying on his side was a perfectly plausible option and he never would have HAD the risk if it were not for his simple desire to have fun and look cool.

Do you think people who smoke deserve to get cancer when they do? not everyone who smokes DESERVES to get cancer indefinitely, they just deserve it when they get it.

makin' any sense here?




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Re: Would you Punish, or Pray?
Posted by Gollum on Thu Mar 9th at 6:38pm 2006


? quoting Nickelplate
makin' any sense here?

No.

You appear to be saying that someone deserves to suffer the consequences of taking a risk if and only if the outcome of his taking the risk is bad.

In other words, you're saying that:

  • Those who take risks and get away with it don't deserve any bad consequences.
  • Those who take risks and suffer bad consequences deserve those consequences.

So your theory of deserving is based entirely on someone's luck. Surely whatever you think people deserve, it should not be based on chance?





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Re: Would you Punish, or Pray?
Posted by hydeph on Thu Mar 9th at 6:46pm 2006


Sounds like negligence to me.




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Posted by Nickelplate on Fri Mar 10th at 2:24am 2006


well, okay. I guess I never thought about it that way. So they DO deserve the consequences of thier actions. The price for irresponsibility can be dire. The more dire the consequences the first time, the less risks will be taken later.




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Re: Would you Punish, or Pray?
Posted by Dr Brasso-Kona- on Fri Mar 10th at 3:44am 2006


...if you survive the first encounter, value well being, and are able to learn.....wanna bet yer life on it?

Doc





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Posted by Foxpup on Fri Mar 10th at 5:19am 2006


I say we bring back public executions.


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Re: Would you Punish, or Pray?
Posted by Tracer Bullet on Fri Mar 10th at 5:35am 2006


Do people deserve the consequences of risky behavior? No, but they should accept the risks in a conscious responsible way. I read somewhere that you can do anything you want, so long as your are willing to pay the price, and that is basically how I live my life. I'm perfectly willing to risk my life climbing because I think it's worth it. The worst that can happen is that I will die a slow painful death alone in the wilderness, and that's how I want to go (maybe not the slow and painful part though). If you think an exciting sex life is worth the risk of emotional trauma and disease, I have no problem with that. It is no different form my perspective. Just don't cry about it if you loose your game, and I won't complain when I loose mine.

A frequent question I ask myself is "would I be happy dying that way?" If the answer is yes, I do it. You are never quite alive except on the brink of death, but in my experience sex does not generate that type of elation... it's a totally different sort. And really, if I had to choose between sex and mountaineering, I'd take the mountains... but I'm very glad I don't have to make the choice!





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Re: Would you Punish, or Pray?
Posted by Nickelplate on Fri Mar 10th at 2:23pm 2006


Okay, so if they don't deserve it, can it at least "serve them right" when it happens to them?


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Posted by ReNo on Fri Mar 10th at 3:20pm 2006


Isn't that just the same thing?





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Posted by Nickelplate on Fri Mar 10th at 3:24pm 2006


Okay... Well then they don't not deserve it when it happens to them.

Tracer said it quite well, I think. "If i take a risk and it comes back to bite me in the butt, I'm not gonna complain about it. So if the same happens to you, don't bother me with it."

I agree. If someone takes the risk of unprotected sex or sex with somoene they don't even know, then I think they should not be able to sue or press charges against the other person no matter WHAT they got from them, be it a baby or a disease.




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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Mar 11th at 8:14pm 2006


? quoting Dr Brasso-Kona-
...if you survive the first encounter, value well being, and are able to learn.....wanna bet yer life on it?

Doc

I wonder. My brother is reaching mid-life methinks because he is discovering God when he never did before. He has had a few near mishaps with his truck and his motorcycle and thinks "God is watching over him because he is still alive"

I told him quite honestly that if he would desist doing stupid things while driving, he would prolly have fewer, if any mishaps. Besides, if God were indeed watching over him, he'd not have any at all.

Sadly, I didn't convince him of anything except, I needed prayed for.





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Posted by Dr Brasso on Sun Mar 12th at 12:19am 2006


lol...praise the lord

Doc





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Posted by Nickelplate on Sun Mar 12th at 1:56am 2006


Wow, you guys who don't beleive in god just have everything so figured out! We're all a bunch of old-fashioned doofs i guess!




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Posted by 7dk2h4md720ih on Mon Mar 13th at 9:34pm 2006


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Okay... Well then they don't not deserve it when it happens to them.
Tracer said it quite well, I think. "If i take a risk and it comes back to bite me in the butt, I'm not gonna complain about it. So if the same happens to you, don't bother me with it."
I agree. If someone takes the risk of unprotected sex or sex with somoene they don't even know, then I think they should not be able to sue or press charges against the other person no matter WHAT they got from them, be it a baby or a disease.


Do you have people coming up to you bothering you with their STD problems?

Why shouldn't people be able to sue? It seems like you have huge issues with sex between consenting adults for whatever reason.

Enjoy your risk-free life.




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Re: Would you Punish, or Pray?
Posted by Orpheus on Mon Mar 13th at 9:35pm 2006


? quoting TwoKnives

I was only asking because I've never heard of any religious folk completely substituting punishment for prayer.

Now, my experience with religion is basically restricted to the more barbaric forms like Baptist, Catholicism and Methodists but I have seen a few religious types that discourage punishment in any form. The Amish, and Mormons both discourage if I recall my legends about them.

As for knowing for certain, NO I have no real clue.





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Posted by Spartan on Mon Mar 13th at 10:06pm 2006


I think the problem with this is that some of you are trying to compare apples to oranges. There is a big difference between having sex with a girl you trust and have known for a long time and going out and having a one night stand with a hooker. Does the guy who has casual sex with a trusted friend deserve STDs as much as the guy who has sex with a hooker behind his wife's back? I say no. Of course there is a risk behind both. However the latter has a much much higher risk.

Blah I don't feel like carrying on with this argument.




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Posted by Nickelplate on Tue Mar 14th at 1:45am 2006


? quoting TwoKnives

? quote:
Okay... Well then they don't not deserve it when it happens to them.
Tracer said it quite well, I think. "If i take a risk and it comes back to bite me in the butt, I'm not gonna complain about it. So if the same happens to you, don't bother me with it."
I agree. If someone takes the risk of unprotected sex or sex with somoene they don't even know, then I think they should not be able to sue or press charges against the other person no matter WHAT they got from them, be it a baby or a disease.



Do you have people coming up to you bothering you with their STD problems?

Why shouldn't people be able to sue? It seems like you have huge issues with sex between consenting adults for whatever reason.

Enjoy your risk-free life.

Two of my 3 brothers have f'd up thier lives because they decided to be "consenting adults" instead of waiting until they were married.

I would have HAD another brother who is now dead because of irresponsible "consenting adults" so yes I have a problem with it.

and YES, people bother me with thier STD problems more than you would think: I work at a school full of delinquent children and I have a lot of man-whore friends who are always having run-ins with nasty chicks.

Not only all that, but it's WRONG. It's against God's plan for our lives.

So if by "enjoy your risk-free life" you mean, "be safe, happy, and don't affect others adversely because you can muster up enough willpower to keep your pecker where it belongs." Then, thank you, I will.




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Re: Would you Punish, or Pray?
Posted by Spartan on Tue Mar 14th at 1:59am 2006


What about the guy who gets HIV from his wife? It's happened to someone somwehre.




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Posted by Dr Brasso on Tue Mar 14th at 3:06am 2006


i cant believe i missed this one ....

ya know what nickel, i am not trying to start s**t here, but it seems to me that if you were as God fearing as you claim to be, you sure as hell wouldnt be putting up a picture of hitler, and then justifying it....

i DO believe in god sir, sure as s**t SOMETHING did all there is....i just have changed my view of him/it through the years....i have a problem with people who use it as a means....and i think its safe to say, none of us think you folks are "dufus's" (sp) but, dont claim to have all the answers sir.....no one does, i dont give a flying s**t who he says hes seen "Him" in a vision.....

morality is a state of mind sir.....concience driven, and intellectually imposed, and i sure as hell dont want to derail this into a religious debate....

i too have f**ked up family members, and i too have some steadfast rules about sex and life etc.....some taught from my parents, some learned because i HAVE a conciense, and some are simple outright speculation....but im judicious, i am fair, and i dont impose my ideals on people...they are mine...if you ascribe to the same ones, then good for you.....if not, its your bed, lie in it....doesnt mean they are better than the rest, just mine...

Doc B...





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Posted by Nickelplate on Tue Mar 14th at 3:24am 2006


A picture, of a stamp, with the likeness of a long-dead dictator as my avatar does not make me any less of a God-fearing man. Anyone who says such a thing is obviously searching very hard for a reason to disregard what I have to say.

Brasso, the truth is EVERYONE impresses thier ideals on everyone else, and it's my job as a christian to present biblical truth to everyone. In today's world that may be seen as judgemental or whatever, but I've got news for you: I may be in this world, but I am not of this world. Therefore anyone who tells me about this world's philosophy about morality being different for different people, is impressing THEIR philosophies upon me, because I don't buy it.

How is it fair for them to do that and then tell me to keep my beleifs to myself just because they are not popular anymore?

[Edit] Spartan, most times it's the woman who gets HIV from her husband because he cheats on her with someone who has it. Yet again, "consenting adults" just exercisin' thier God-given rights, yeah?




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