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Re: V for vendetta
Posted by G4MER on Sat Mar 18th at 3:25pm 2006


I have not seen this movie, but Fox news and CNN both had stories on the movie about how a terrorist is protrayed as a hero. Some find it in poor taste.

What are your thoughts..

I think my catch line below the topic says it best.




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Re: V for vendetta
Posted by OtZman on Sat Mar 18th at 5:21pm 2006


imdb link

Trailer

Looks like a nice flick. Anyone seen it?

As for the terrorist thing, I think what you said sounds pretty reasonable.






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Re: V for vendetta
Posted by Windows 98 on Sat Mar 18th at 6:41pm 2006


Yeah the thought of him being a terrorist is reasonable, but to think that it shouldn't be show because of that is not at all. I think its more or less trying to show it as person fighting for rights? not a terrorist.






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Re: V for vendetta
Posted by Gwil on Sat Mar 18th at 6:46pm 2006


Terrorism, isn't always some kind of civilian killing madness - see "The Angry Brigade" circa 1960s Britain, and quite often has legitimate complaints. Can't be arsed to wade into a debate over it, but it's an old and complex social phenomenon.

Besides that, the comic is way older than mainstream Islamic fundamentalism, so had little or no bearing on events pertaining to the 2001 attacks on America. Judge the movie on its merits as a film and a conversion to screen from an old (and excellent) DC Comic story, nothing more.




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Re: V for vendetta
Posted by Crono on Sat Mar 18th at 10:40pm 2006


V for Vendetta was written and published about twenty years ago. But, Alan Moore has a way of writing improbable situations and making them reflect the current and future world for many years.

I love V for Vendetta. There were things that were changed in the adaptation to make it more "current", but, it still stands as blatant fiction. If you see the context of the G.Novel/Film, it makes much more sense. It doesn't approve terrorism, but rather reclaiming your own rights. (U.S. Revolutionary War, would be a proper comparison)

If someone does Watchmen right, I'll be very happy ... but ... the content matter is so f**king close to 9/11 even though it was written 20 years before 2001. People will no doubt make that connection because it's the only thing they can see. As a whole, audiences lack the ability to see a film for more than face value, that's something that's bugged me for a long time.

Fox and CNN are by far credible news sources anymore. That and, they're playing on this idea as a tactic. Nothing more.
Also, EVERYONE who knows this wonderful story have known for over a year (or so) that people would react this way, simply because of the core content matter.



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Re: V for vendetta
Posted by rs6 on Sat Mar 18th at 11:02pm 2006


I want to see that movie, looks really good.



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Re: V for vendetta
Posted by Dark Tree on Sun Mar 19th at 1:03am 2006


V For Verdana :P

V For Vendetta: 8/10. It was a really solid and quite inspirational if you can look past the improbability of a lot of it. It was a really kickass flick with intelligent dialogue by 'V'....also, I was unaware of it till I looked on IMDB, but Hugo Weaving (Agent Smith) plays the role of 'V'...also...the script was written by the Wachowski Brothers (Matrix trilogy) about 9 years before The Matrix came out.....The Matrix....Wachowski's....Agent Smith....Hugo Weaving...V.....there are no coincidences (also a them in the movie smiley).....................

And yes, back on topic....while watching it I became aware of how it was like pro-terrorist.......I thought it was rather humorous, as most movies are the opposite. I wouldnt call the movie groundbreakign in any way, but definately a fun romp. Kinda reminded me of:

Show spoiler

I would recommend dis moveh.




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Re: V for vendetta
Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Sun Mar 19th at 2:49am 2006


If I find myself at the movies sometimes soon, I'll go watch this. And Crono, the U.S. Revolutionary War was exactly what I thought of when I read the subtitle to this thread.



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Re: V for vendetta
Posted by Nickelplate on Sun Mar 19th at 3:30am 2006


"Raging against the machine" and "stickin' it to the man" is not the same as terrorism.


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Re: V for vendetta
Posted by FatStrings on Sun Mar 19th at 5:27am 2006


here is our governments(the usa) definition of a terrorist

in section 802 I have copied it from the document

the term `domestic terrorism' means activities that--

`(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;

`(B) appear to be intended--

`(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;

`(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or

`(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and

`(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.'.

so i am a terrorist




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Re: V for vendetta
Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Sun Mar 19th at 5:36am 2006


How do you figure?



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Re: V for vendetta
Posted by Nickelplate on Sun Mar 19th at 6:29am 2006


Meh, he's one of those ultra-liberal goofballs that wants to change everything...


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Re: V for vendetta
Posted by FatStrings on Sun Mar 19th at 6:31am 2006


um no actually we want to keep the rights our government is trying to steal
by our governments standards if you get a speading ticket you are a terrorist
but only if you're in the united states




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Re: V for vendetta
Posted by Nickelplate on Sun Mar 19th at 6:37am 2006


Having rights are a good thing to have. I don't like that "patriot act" deal. It leaves me with a butt-ache.


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Re: V for vendetta
Posted by FatStrings on Sun Mar 19th at 6:40am 2006


no that's from your boyfriend
just playin
but yeah that was retarded, and that was only 1 of the 2 they tried to pass
they are trying to take our rights and our ignorant citizens are supporting them because they're to stupid to think about what is happening




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Re: V for vendetta
Posted by Nickelplate on Sun Mar 19th at 6:45am 2006


oh boy... I just can't wait for the Reich!!




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Re: V for vendetta
Posted by French Toast on Mon Mar 20th at 3:59am 2006


It's rated R... can't see it yet.




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Re: V for vendetta
Posted by Cassius on Mon Mar 20th at 7:10am 2006


I wondered after I saw the movie as to what we're supposed to take away from it. Perhaps I only have this perspective because I live in the Bay Area and am regularly exposed to liberal ideas over the internet, but it seems to me that the gist of it - all that rebellion and never give up your individuality and all that - is pretty played out.

I really liked the Matrix because it adressed issues of individuality versus "the system" and eventually got past that: Revolutions questions the value of individual identity, asks what it is and what it means, rather than taking it as something grand and romantic to fight for.

V was a good movie. The explanation of the backstory was kind of patchy: it wasn't given to us as a string of clues leading up to a realization of what really went on, but in awkward chunks, some more significant or relevant than others. Other elements seemed a little too simplistic: Portman's character is extremely credulous and naive, and that V "fell in love with her" seems very token - it doesn't really fit except in the sense that we're watching a Hollywood movie, and somebody has to fall in love with somebody in a Hollywood movie. The assistant to the High Chancellor or whatever the office was actually taking the Chancellor to V was stupid. And overall, stepping back from the romanticism of the characters and wondering for a minute what V really accomplished by destroying the government and himself in a grand act of martyrdom: who will lead the nation? Who will actually give out the vaccine that apparently infected the rest of the world? Now that Portman no longer has a government to fight - one that she was conditioned to fight and built her whole life around fighting - what will she do?

Sadly, V for Vendetta doesn't really consider such questions. It espouses a romantic revolutionary spirit that does not pause to consider practical or realistic concerns. That isn't a problem with the film as a piece of art - that's a problem with the fact that it encourages the audience to adopt the anti-authoritarianism it puts across, though of course not in such an extreme fashion as V does - and a problem with the fact that people do and will buy that philosophy or something similar.





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Re: V for vendetta
Posted by Bewbies on Mon Mar 20th at 4:14pm 2006


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Sadly, V for Vendetta doesn't really consider such questions. It espouses a romantic revolutionary spirit that does not pause to consider practical or realistic concerns. That isn't a problem with the film as a piece of art - that's a problem with the fact that it encourages the audience to adopt the anti-authoritarianism it puts across, though of course not in such an extreme fashion as V does - and a problem with the fact that people do and will buy that philosophy or something similar.

maybe when they adapt The Green Lantern it'll live up to your philosphy-injecting-movie standards, cass. =P

..or maybe it'll be another adaptation of a 20-year-old DC comic. meh





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Re: V for vendetta
Posted by Jinx on Mon Mar 20th at 5:23pm 2006


Real Americans would consider their rights more important than their safety. As if any of this crap the Bush administration is doing is making us safer anyway.

It's a great graphic novel, I'm going to see the movie this afternoon. I don't think you have to consider V to be a hero necessarily. While the government in Vendetta is corrupt and evil, I don't think the story necessarily pushes the idea that V himself is "good". He's monstrous in his own ways.

The Watchmen was fantastic, one of my favorite stories ever.

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it seems to me that the gist of it - all that rebellion and never give up your individuality and all that - is pretty played out.


but in a way, didn't V *totally* give up his individuality to his cause?

I think the problem is that everyone wants to see this as purely good vs evil and whatnot. If you've read other stuff by Moore like Watchmen you would understand that he likes to play with ideas of morality, and with ideas of whether doing terrible things toward a good end is justified. Moore has written stories where the bad guys *win*, and possibly for the best, so don't try to look at Vendetta as a black and white, good vs evil story because it certainly is not.





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