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Posted by Dr Brasso on Sat Mar 25th at 5:15pm 2006


so....this is really bordering on percieved.....insanity...i dont know whats worse, the law, or the fact that so many want it instituted under islamic law....amazing, scary, and point proving for some.....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12009717/

we will not be able to get away from this topic ever again i fear... :/

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Posted by reaper47 on Sat Mar 25th at 5:20pm 2006


Religion can be a scary thing.



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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Mar 25th at 5:42pm 2006


You know, there are two things that bother me deeply. I am not sure if this thread is the proper place to put it but it is marginally related.

1st, right after the war, a bunch of nuts went to the war area from the United states and assumed that it was their right, and place to initiate the area to their religion. This is a country, that has religious views predating anything in the United States, and yet, they wanted to enlighten them. Give me a f**king break.

2nd, people I see daily are giving people a hard time just because they assume that they are "Towel Heads" ... I was in a store just yesterday. It was a gas station/convenience store place. This woman was giving this person a hard time, IMO, just because they were not white, but looked Indian/Jew/Iranian.. or whatever brown skinned race the person truly was. The person behind the counter was nice and courteous and yet the woman constantly harangued her about something to do with her credit card not working and she had to use cash.

I am so tired of the racial abuse just because the person has a dot on their forehead, or speaks funny.





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Posted by reaper47 on Sat Mar 25th at 5:46pm 2006


I don't really think this is a racial issue, Orpheus.



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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Mar 25th at 5:49pm 2006


? quoting reaper47
I don't really think this is a racial issue, Orpheus.

No, perhaps not, but as I said, its marginally related. We are discussing races, perhaps not racism, but cultural races.





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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Sat Mar 25th at 6:09pm 2006


I really hope he isn't executed. This is another example of where local culture/religion conflicts with international ideals. It's a tough issue...



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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Mar 25th at 6:22pm 2006


You know what though? He knew in advance that it could happen, and chose to proceed anyway.

What you should do is hope that he made the right choice, for the reasons he felt were necessary to make them.

If he dies, he will have died for a belief that has been died for countless times before. Religious freedom.

He is not unique, but he could be the catalyst for change. Lets hope so.

In the back of my mind however, I feel that if he dies, knowing that he would have for committing this action then he got exactly what his fate dictated. If more people had to pay for their actions, then perhaps... *shrugs*

Who knows...





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Posted by Addicted to Morphine on Sat Mar 25th at 6:28pm 2006


Well - one surely can't blame him for pursuing a basic freedom, despite the argument that he knew the punishment.



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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Mar 25th at 6:33pm 2006


? quoting Addicted to Morphine
Well - one surely can't blame him for pursuing a basic freedom, despite the argument that he knew the punishment.

No, I do not blame him. I do feel that all choices have prices. This price is a bit steep, but still it was a payment clearly stated in advance of the decision.

As I said, lets hope that he is a catalyst for change. Sometimes it takes a martyr. Sadly it does.





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Posted by Dr Brasso on Sun Mar 26th at 12:20am 2006


? quoting Addicted to Morphine
I really hope he isn't executed. This is another example of where local culture/religion conflicts with international ideals. It's a tough issue...

....actually, they ARENT international ideals, and in the western mind, thats a part of the problem....

....and as much as i hate to say it orph, you may be right .....<img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_lol.gif"> i think our national mindset has shifted to one of over-reactionary fear.....at least, elevated anxiety....sad really, we as a country really only want "the best" for the world....even if we dont really know what that is...

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Posted by Orpheus on Sun Mar 26th at 12:28am 2006


? quoting Dr Brasso
....and as much as i hate to say it orph, you may be right .....

Why hate to say so? I am in actuality right so infrequently that you could actually truly keep track of the events. It has got to be less than half a dozen times in the years I have been here.

I worry, for reasons damned few truly understand. I hope that I live to see racism eliminated. I am a pragmatist however and know the futility of such a wish. However, I still wish it.

In the end, all I can hope to do is go to bed each night with a clear conscience.





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Posted by Nickelplate on Sun Mar 26th at 8:51am 2006


"He knew the risks and he still did it, so it's his fault." That's exactly what I said about casual sex and getting STDs, but nobody wanted to agree with me then.


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Posted by Andrei on Sun Mar 26th at 10:01am 2006


Meh, this is different. You don't know whether your girl has aids or not since it's not on national news.

Couldn't their government, who claims that they'd rather not execute him as not to attract sanctions from western countries (yet fear of an outburst of violence from the population if the prisoner lives) just say that they executed him, provide some blurry video of the "execution" and use their intelligence agency to exfiltrate the prisoner under a fake name?




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Posted by Orpheus on Sun Mar 26th at 12:52pm 2006


? quoting Nickelplate
"He knew the risks and he still did it, so it's his fault." That's exactly what I said about casual sex and getting STDs, but nobody wanted to agree with me then.

Nickel, nobody agreed with the way you were phrasing your sentences. I detected nobody outright disagreeing with you.

You seem to think that action=price is all there is. When its a bit more than that I'm afraid.

I bet, if you restructured your arguments about casual sex you'd have made your point.

*shrugs*

Then again, being a Missourian has its drawbacks.





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Posted by pepper on Sun Mar 26th at 2:09pm 2006


The thing here is, we expect a country to adapt to have respect for other religions as a western rule. And we expect this to happend in 2 years. But people dont realize that we used to have such a short viewed mind here to, 2/3 generations ago. Since generations pass by people will change, not in 2 years. And now everyone is pissed off about this, again, showing the short minded thinking of people.

I feel sorry for the christian, but that's life. I think its worse that 3000 africans die every day because we want to maintain or life style in the west.




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Posted by Dr Brasso on Sun Mar 26th at 2:09pm 2006


update.....wisdom prevails, even if its not for the reasons stated.... <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_wink.gif">

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Posted by Nickelplate on Mon Mar 27th at 12:38am 2006


? quoting Andrei
Meh, this is different. You don't know whether your girl has aids or not since it's not on national news.

Couldn't their government, who claims that they'd rather not execute him as not to attract sanctions from western countries (yet fear of an outburst of violence from the population if the prisoner lives) just say that they executed him, provide some blurry video of the "execution" and use their intelligence agency to exfiltrate the prisoner under a fake name?

It SHOULD be on the national news... I don't like AIDS.

and

That Idea would be too smart.

Orph: I don't think we are dealing with anything more than "Actions = Consequences" because EVERY action has consequences. It doesn't matter if you knew about them beforehand or not. They're going to happen. Personally, I hope he doesn't get executed simply because I don't beleive that a country should be ruled by religious clergy, and because he's a Christian too.

I bet if I restructured your face, it'd make a point. Psh... Arkansas...




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Posted by Orpheus on Mon Mar 27th at 12:44am 2006


? quoting Nickelplate
I bet if I restructured your face, it'd make a point. Psh... Arkansas...

Don't bite off more than you can chew my friend.

Seriously though, I think if you rephrased your sentiments you'd win an audience. Right now, you have nobody.... End of story.

I seldom win an argument, but in losing I retain an audience simply because of how I lost. I never lose poorly. I just fail to win. There is a difference.





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Posted by fishy on Mon Mar 27th at 1:45am 2006


? quoting Orpheus

I seldom win an argument, but in losing I retain an audience simply because of how I lost. I never lose poorly. I just fail to win.

3 out of 4 is quite good....




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Posted by Dr Brasso on Mon Mar 27th at 1:47am 2006


hey, nobody's perfect... :dodgy:

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