Restructuring my arguments would change what I'm arguing for. If you don't like the truth, then you never will, because then you would have to admit being wrong all that time.

I mean, think about it. If christianity turns out to be what is right, (hypothetically of course, so we don't have any whining) then think of how many people will have living completely detestable lives. Breaking tons of commandments and doing so many immoral things that they have been justifying to themselves and other people for so long. It's not easy to give control of your life like that, so I can see where you would want to resist what I have to say.

Anyway, a debate is not a highschool popularity contest where you try to get as many people as you can to agree with you or like you. I don't really care how many people "got my back." because it's MY side of the debate that I'm presenting. If you need to validate yourself by taking the majority side of a debate and patronizing the other side, then do it.

You just need to tell the difference between an ARGUMENT and a DEBATE. I think you turn the former into the latter too often.

What you seem to be overlooking Nickel is, I wasn't part of that particular discussion. I, being an outside viewer, can form opinions about your part in it without ever typing a word.

What you want to attempt to do is draw in anything from my past as part of your defense of position. Since I am wrong so often, AND don't mush words, you are saying that I am "wrong" then by association, my comments about your sexual debate must be also inaccurate.

Just because no one understands why I see life as a series of "rights" and "wrongs" doesn't place you in a position of knowing that my viewpoint is a total fallacy.

I have said, on numerous occasions that I view life in Black and White. It is not going to change because a bunch of "younger folk" (I hesitate to say children in spite of my thinking it) tell me that doing so is weird or strange. I argue the facts as I understand them. If I want to argue about the color blue I will. I was a house painter for almost a decade and believe me there are so many shades of blue that one could actually argue over them if they so chose to. I wouldn't but the fact remains that I could.

Now, the best thing you can do, each of you is "LEARN ORPHEUS" and stop trying to mold him into your own images of how things are. None of you are nearly old enough, nor experienced enough to tell me how to live my life. My successes and failures are 100% of my own making and I am proud of each.

Nickel, you were/are on the losing side of the sexual debate. I do not believe in majority rules so I do not feel that you are on the wrong side because so many are on the other side. I feel that you are on the wrong side simply because you do not know how to postulate your ideals in a satisfactory method.

I personally agree with you on it, but abhor your words of expression. It shows a decidedly ignorant methodology.

(Although I was primarily talking to NickelPlate, my words encompass you as well Crono. Mind your own business in how I view the world)

/2 cents

OK, since you seem to want to mush words we'll use yours.

In the debate over casual sex, you were the least able to express yourself in anything approaching satisfactory. Everyone else seemed more aptly able and you failed to pose your position adequately.

Now, that did not read "you lost"

Does that make you feel any better now?

As I said, I agreed with you, mostly. You just seemed hell bent to lose.

Stop splitting hairs with me Nickel. You can't win that way I assure you.

Did it really escape your notice that I didn't even participate in that discussion?

How can I cause trouble, being a non-participant?

I think you are confused on what it means to "win" and "lose" at anything. There are many shades of each, and all are not marked by a checkered flag at the finish line.

I honestly think you are losing track of any forms of proper discussion, and the value of being in a "winning" line of thinking.

Anyway, the other discussion wasn't important enough for me to discuss then, and it sure as hell isn't worth my time now either.

/methinks you are still bent and since I am stupider than the people you "lost" to, your wanting to vent upon me.

Why don't you go back and lose some more to the smart kids, and leave this dumb old man in peace.

Read this 10 times, then tell me honestly that you meant it.

If you did, read it 10 more times and get back to me because its a level of craziness that I would like to document for posterity.

Think of it this way. I am a dumb old man, and you cannot complete a thought without getting flustered. Its no wonder that those smart kids outflanked you.

Call it winning, or losing. Call it anything you wish that denotes primary and secondary placement in any debate, but the fact remained, you had a chance to prove your point and all you can do is get angry with me about it.

*shrugs*

Oh well. But I know where I stand in every conversation I attend. At least when its over with I do.

I concede. You win, by default.

Have a good day.