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Posted by G4MER on Mon Mar 27th at 5:12pm 2006

When Bush entered office during his first term, he was the Illigals best friend, opening our boarder wide for them. Today he gave a speech wanting to close our boarder, hire more officers, and make harsher penilities for crossers.

What do you all think?

I personally welcome it.. I live in El Paso Tx err Mexico.. well it sure fills like it anyways. You have to speak spanish to even work at a burger joint here. Most Census sites have El Paso at 77% hispanic 74% White, but what they dont take into account is the number of them that dont do the census, so the number is much higher more like 89-95%. El Paso also has 560 thousand people, another 1.6 million are just across the boarder in Mexico, another thing that is not taken into account.

Lets try to keep this as a nice discussion on the topic and not a your country sucks bash war.. thanks.



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Posted by Orpheus on Mon Mar 27th at 5:21pm 2006

I've gotten into trouble before and am willing to do so again. I personally have no issues with the Mexicans coming here. They mostly acquire the jobs that the "White Boys" are to good to do anyway. The only people who cry are the White Boys, but since they seem to be only taking mediocre jobs, why?

The way I see it, if a Mexican takes a job, its either through default, because no one else wants it, OR, they are smarter than the dumb f**k who didn't get it and they won it fair and square.

America is/was built on immigration and only stupid people think otherwise.

Imagine 400 years ago. The Native Americans looking at the dirty white trash piling off of the ships and thinking "There goes the f**kin neighborhood"

Leave the Mexicans alone for trying to better themselves.





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Posted by FatStrings on Mon Mar 27th at 5:41pm 2006

it's really funny how we complain about their immigration so much
most americans feel they are to good to do the jobs that the immigrants take
take janitors and migrant workers for example
most "white americans" would never stoop so low as to take these jobs many would rather go poor
in fact most of our poor people live off of welfare which is disgusting because welfare is a "get you back on your feet" thing than a "here you're poor don't worry we'll support you" thing

at least the immigrants are earning the money they spend

and i agree with everything orph just said





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Posted by G4MER on Mon Mar 27th at 6:16pm 2006

Shows how much you both really know.. Must live in a mostly white area of the country. Now I said Mexicans in my post, but it is much more than just them, its Irish, Chinese, etc.

And they dont pay taxes on the money they make, they also live off welfair, they also take from honest Americans some of them being hispanics as well. Now dont go making this a race thing because its not.

And that they take jobs Americans dont want is total and utter bullpoopy. Now Bush also said he wanted to give temp work visas to these people who want to work picking cotton and etc.. and that way they would also be taxed and contribute to the United States.

Yeah I see the 400 year ago thing, and its happening again.. and we need to stop it where the Indians failed. I am all for immigration, do it the legal way and not by sneaking over the boarder.



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Posted by Orpheus on Mon Mar 27th at 6:46pm 2006

? quoting MoneyShot
Shows how much you both really know.. Must live in a mostly white area of the country.

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Mostly White? Mostly White trash you mean.. Right?

What I live in is a State that promotes welfare. Arkansas biggest event is the first week of the month when the checks are delivered. If you want to cry about where jobs are going, cry about corporations moving elsewhere and taking our jobs with them. If it was so f**king great there, why are these people still sneaking in?

I know exactly what I am talking about MS. And blaming immigration, legal or otherwise is only crying about what you can see. Its the underlying causes that you need look at. Our borders... Well the f**king things are open.. BOTH WAYS!!!





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Posted by Nickelplate on Mon Mar 27th at 6:59pm 2006

? quoting MoneyShot
Shows how much you both really know..

A-frickin'-men! Everyone thinks it's about "taking jobs" but its not. There are very few people who are against immigration. However, immigration differs significantly from illegal immigration.

Illegal immigrants are:

  • not paying taxes on what they earn
  • allowing large companies to cheat on thier taxes by not claiming them as employees since, technically, they don't exist.
  • By law, required to be supported by public funds if they are within our borders, no matter who they are or what kind of citizen they are.
  • skipping the whole gosh darn immigration process!

If you want to become a citizen of a country, you go there and APPLY, you don't just try to sneak in and then present the softhearted liberals with a sob story when you get caught. "Oh no, let Elian Gonzalez stay, because his mom died and he floated in on a tire... wah." send the kid back because he is here ILLEGALLY!

You all would have NO problem whatsoever punishing anyone who breaks any other law, but these guys are allowed to get by because they are trying to make thier lives better? What do you think a black kid is trying to do when he steals your radio? He wants a nice radio to make his life more enjoyable, or he wants the money from it so he can buy clothes or some bling rims for his fly hooptie pimpmobile.

Orph, what happened to seeing the world in black and white? here's the black-and-white of it: They are breaking the law, and breaking the law is bad, therefore they should get thier little selves kicked back to thier country where they can apply for citizenship the LEGAL way and do it like everyone else!




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Posted by Gwil on Mon Mar 27th at 7:07pm 2006

MoneyShot, is anything you say backed up by fact? Ever?






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Posted by Orpheus on Mon Mar 27th at 7:08pm 2006

I'm not going to get into a petty catfight over semantics. People who are truly against immigration, are against all forms of it. Its just another form of racism IMO.

I do not of course favor illegal entry into the States, but, if we didn't make it so hard to get here using the laws, there wouldn't be any illegal entry now would there???

If you want to cry, which seems obvious, cry about the companies moving to these places and taking our jobs. Don't cry about John Q. Mexican who only wants to feed his bambinos.

You people make me sick, and I am embarrassed to say you are fellow Americans. What would you do if the only work was... Someplace else.





The best things in life, aren't things.



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Posted by Nickelplate on Mon Mar 27th at 7:09pm 2006

? quoting Gwil
MoneyShot, is anything you say backed up by fact? Ever?


Yes, white men really DID come to America, and "Indians" really DID exist. As for the rest of it... meh?




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Posted by Gwil on Mon Mar 27th at 7:13pm 2006

Orpheus spoke about the Native American tribes first :P






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Posted by Orpheus on Mon Mar 27th at 8:51pm 2006

? quoting Gwil
Orpheus spoke about the Native American tribes first


Hey, what can I say. I have tenuous ties to the Native Americans. My Great Grandmother was a child on the trail of tears.





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Posted by French Toast on Mon Mar 27th at 9:57pm 2006

It doesn't really matter if you want to close the border. They can just float their doors up to Canada.




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Posted by Gwil on Mon Mar 27th at 11:16pm 2006

Just to note to Money here - I agree with your sentiments entirely. We have massive social problems stemming from an influx of asylum seekers (and economic migrants that come with them).

I would stop short on making bold statements about tax or welfare benefits that they receive because I, we, cannot imagine what it is like to live in their shoes and financial circumstances. There is a fine line between objective discussion and unfounded generalisations - in the heat of a discussion, and domestic issues factored in, one can easily cross the line into reactionary and generally misguided sentiments.






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Posted by Orpheus on Mon Mar 27th at 11:24pm 2006

I was kinda wanting to say the same thing Gwil but all I could come up with was..

? quoting Orpheus
What would you do if the only work was... Someplace else.

You said it much better.





The best things in life, aren't things.



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Posted by G4MER on Tue Mar 28th at 11:50am 2006

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I know exactly what I am talking about MS. And blaming immigration, legal or otherwise is only crying about what you can see. Its the underlying causes that you need look at. Our borders... Well the f**king things are open.. BOTH WAYS!!!


No your right. They are open both ways. I saw this first hand. We used to have Farah, and Levi's and a bunch of other large plants here, employing many Americans.. then Free trade came along, and they all built huge factories right across the boarder from us. This plants attract workers from deep down in mexico and other coutries hoping at a chance for the 5 dollar a day jobs these plants now provide, if they dont get the job they then try and sneak over to the USA and get a job here in the states. Some do, some dont and they cause crime to rise. I dont blame them, hell if I was hungry and down and out too Id rip off a store or house, or what ever I could to survive.

We get these over paid exectives who come from places like Kansas that come down here and whine and bitch about having to work at the plant with filthy mexicans all day.. and having to pay them 5 bucks a day.. when they are getting a free house here, free car, and a huge paycheck. So yeah Oprh I know what im talking about too.. I am on the front lines of it.

I dont just blame immergration, I blame our leaders both republican and democrat.

GWIL, yes it is.. I live it, that is fact enough for me brother. I used to be on foodstamps and medicade, so I have lived on that side of the line as well. And I was lucky to get the job I have now working as a Police Officer on Fort Bliss. There are no jobs for a English speaking persons in El Paso any longer.. this is one of the unseen backlashes of illigals coming over.



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Posted by Nickelplate on Tue Mar 28th at 1:59pm 2006

And what happens when so many jobs go overseas and to immigrants that when the economy CRASHES because of it, Ford and GM are firing thousands at a time, where will these american workers go>?


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Posted by G4MER on Tue Mar 28th at 2:41pm 2006

Who are you asking Nickelplate?

We will be pulling a Mexican, and moving to these other countries I guess to find work. Heres the thing, if these jobs are all moving out of the United States, why do they come here for work, when they should be going there, where the factories are moving too. I dunno.. its a big mess all of it.

yeah Ford fired 3000 line workers a couple kmonths ago, and then began an ad campaign to make them look good while doing it.. basterds.

I'll be honest I dont have any answers.. besides buying up all of Mexico, so that these people have no place to go, they are already in America, they would get all the benefits as such and then these factories would have to pay these people a decent wage or once again move. I think it would be a WIN WIN for everyone.



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Posted by Nickelplate on Tue Mar 28th at 3:44pm 2006

asking anyone who has a postulation.


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Posted by FatStrings on Tue Mar 28th at 6:49pm 2006

i think the mexicans are just trying to get us back from when we snuck over their border trying to expand south-west to the rio grande




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Posted by G4MER on Tue Mar 28th at 9:48pm 2006

This is not just a Mexican issue. And the border does reach the RioGrand.




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