Noir: I oppose illegal activities that hinder the improvement of the quality of life for law-abiding citizens. But what you're saying is that because I oppose an illegal activity that is being committed by someone who is a different color, I am a racist. I think that is complete and utter CACK.

You claim that what everyone else is saying is "overgeneralized nonsense," but you're not refuting anything with any factual evidence.

Now, it's completely true that Americans have a horrible sense of entitlement. Especially minorities. since thier KIND of people were allegedly "oppressed" in the past, they think they are entitled to "affirmative action" and "reparations." But, regardless of race or color, americans think that they should have everything just thier way.

How favoritist it is to assume that these lawbreakers deserve to replace the american people beause the americans have a false sense of entitlement, and the immigrants are poorer! That is worse than the "racism" you alleged because American citizens want these illegals to follow the laws that everyone else and thier ancestors in years past had to abide by! I have about 500 ukrainian, russian, moldovan and romanian friends who are ALL either greencard-holders or naturalized, it was NOT difficult for them to come here, they applied, and they were let in. How, then, is it more difficult for people from mexico or china than for people of ANY other nation?

I don't think the problem is the Mexicans taking our crappy jobs that we wouldn't want anyway, it's just that they do it illegally. Them getting benefits for being here is utterly ridiculous as well, you hear the liberal sob stories about how we shouldn't be in Iraq 'cause we can't take care of our own citizens, but it's OK to take care of illegals who shouldn't be here in the first place?

Let's give everyone everything for free and take it from people who already have it because they don't FULLY appreciate it! This is OK, according to my standards... but don't take MY stuff, you bastards! I worked hard for this microwave...

/me contemplates the actual ramifications of a 700 mile long 30 foot high wall....

i was just watching a report on the news about the amount of traffic increase since the amnesty thing was first set forth as a posibility...near tenfold increase....

im torn.....personally, i like the ideal of everyone in the world getting a fair shake at a fair chance to make a good life....its always been, "if ya dont like the weather, move...." , but on the other hand, i dont like the idea of crossing being done illegally.....any reject from anywhere could be the next ted bundy...security issues?, its a joke....like sand thru a seive...

as long as there are companies that will use illegal or undocumented workers, there will be a market to pick from....even though we suck at alot of things, the ole usa is still a pretty good place to be.....ive lived in a s**tload of places, and seen and been in alot of conditions, and....i keep coming back. i understand why so many foreign folk try so hard to get here....thats why any solution, of which ive heard none that are viable so far in this thread, is going to be painful as hell to some, and excrutiating to others, and in my estimation, downright devastating to many peoples on many levels....

Doc B...

and this is from someone who likes to see himself as intelligent.

this visa, does it come with bus tickets and a packed lunch, too?

well, im here to tell ya duncan, if you use a little foresight, get your records together, keep your information up to date, and have it in a presentable, easily checked out manner, just basicly help them expidite the system, yer chances of getting into the united states from the UK are pretty damn good....as long as you are/ arent a mass murderer or something (insert tongue and cheek smiley here) youll get in.....we invite trouble...////runs

Doc B...