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Posted by Nickelplate on Fri Mar 31st at 2:07am 2006


Fishy, how much experience have you had with US immigration? Lots I presume, because you sure seem to know more than everyone else about it.

Where to the illegals get thier bus ticket and packed lunch? Personally, I think that anyone smart enough to be let into the US would use thier money applying for a visa and when they get it, walk or hitch to the border. I think a walk from even the southernmost part of Mexico would be better than dying in a cargo container or forced to be a slave for the rest of your life. Those last two options are REALLY gonna better people's lives, too. You think they'd learn.

Reno, If you are getting a work visa, the most important thing to to is get a sponsor and have them prove that no american worker who is more qualified has applied for the job. That is what one of my friends is doing, he is having his company officially "sponsor" him so that he gets a work visa. after that you can be naturalized, too. as long as you're sponsored.




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Posted by G4MER on Fri Mar 31st at 3:02am 2006


My sister used to work for an Immigration Lawyer in OK city.. I can ask her for some advice for you Reno, if you like.



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Posted by Stadric on Fri Mar 31st at 5:10am 2006


Here are my two cents:

Putting aside all debates, solely by definition, illegal immigrants are not citizens of the United States of America. Therefore, they are not entitled to the basic rights and liberties assigned to citizens of the United States. They do, on the other hand, have any rights Mexico, Canada, China, Ukraine, or whatever other country have agreed to under any Swedish Convention, the right to life, etc., but this does not include the right to use federal programs of any specific government, save for one(or two, or three) they are a legal citizens of.

On the subject of illegal immigrants stealing jobs:
I have a house, with a wall, and a fairly nice apple tree in my back yard. I have children, and these children subsist mainly on apples from the tree. Due to windfalls from my tree, my children and I maintain a steady diet. Next door to me, lives a poor family, they have no apple tree. One day, several children from next door's family climb over my fence and steal some of the windfalls, as a result, my children and I go hungry for that day.
An alternate situation would be the poor children taking apples from the tree, that have yet to become windfalls, and, as a result, my children and I go hungry the next day.
Are the poor children justified in stealing my apples, they are indeed misfortunate enough to need to steal apples in order to eat that day, but so is my family, the only difference is that I have the means that they don't.
How about instead of letting the children steal from my tree, or letting them go hungry, I give them a bag of apple seeds?

On the subject of jobs being shipped overseas:
When the United States elected Franklin Delano Roosevelt as their somthingth president, the country was in turmoil, the Great Depression and the Dust Bowl were in full-swing, and the citizens weren't exactly helping the situation. One situation was the plight of the farmers of the era, they were producing as much food, cotton, and other crops as possible, in order to maximize profits, as a result, supply skyrocketed, demand plummeted, and prices fell drastically. The best way to fix the situation was to stop growing so much, to reduce supply, thereby increasing demand and price. The problem with this is that when farmer A and farmer B only plant on half of their land, farmer C will plant on all of his land, in order to grow more crops and make more money. But, foreseeing this, farmer A and farmer B plant on the remaining half of their land, and therefore, no one gets anywhere, and everyone suffers. It took federal legislation from FDR that paid farmers not to grow crops (the AAA) to actually fix the problem.
The point is, businesses try to maximize profits, in order to do that, they screw over other people, but if every business maximizes their profits by screwing everyone else over, everyone suffers, and the businesses and their competition are still at equal odds with each other.
So if GM moves to Puerto Rico to make cars for ten bucks a-piece, then Ford does the same thing, the companies are competing from the same ground again, so they don't increase profits enough to be worth the switch, and the Americans who lost their jobs are the ones who struggle for it.

As for illegal immigrants who have, or are able to prove their worthiness of being a United States citizen, there is such a thing as a Grandfather Clause, which allows illegal immigrants who have been residents on the United States for a certain period of time, to take a test to determine their aptitude of the history of the United States.

/2 cents

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Posted by Dr Brasso on Fri Mar 31st at 5:36am 2006


very interesting analogies there mr stadric.....makes ya think in a new venue....i think thats just what this thread needed....ill get back to ya on my retort...

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Posted by Stadric on Fri Mar 31st at 5:49am 2006


As Maddoxx would say,
"I rule"




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Posted by G4MER on Fri Mar 31st at 2:45pm 2006


Nice, a fresh look. Thanks for sharing.. now for other news..

We shipped some 11,000 mexicans back to Mexico last night. And today there will be more. I understand some Bill was passed yesturday that said every illigal has to be sent home by a said date. So they local PD, and Boarder patrols are rounding up all of them and shipping them home. I know about the shippment, because I was one of a handful of Police officer on a military base that watched as they were loaded on big planes in hand cuffs to be sent back home. 5 planes full.

yesturday Students from the local schools protested by walking out of class and marching down El Paso Streets waving Mexico flags... some were beaten to near death by men waving American Flags..

I see a war starting.. its getting ugly here..




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Posted by Stadric on Fri Mar 31st at 6:02pm 2006


I live in Los Angeles County, California, I know about the rights, and they're all BS.
The only reason 75% of the kids who are protesting are actually protesting, is because they wanted to get out of class. As for the other 25%, they are either illegal immigrants themselves, or the children of illegal immigrants who know what they're debating, plus some legals who know what they're debating.

The thing is, protests aren't spontaneous any more, these protests are being led by middle-aged men and women, who have been bussed into the area, and paid to start protests and violence. I know, I live here, and it's kinda scary.





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Posted by Dr Brasso on Fri Mar 31st at 7:06pm 2006


i used to live down in chula vista back when i was detached to the uss sailfish out of point loma....the problem wa so great even back then that it defied the imagination....vanloads and truckloads and kids stashed in trunks, boxes etc.....i was even approached by a s**tbird that lived in the neighborhood to haul illegals across the border, using my military id....500 bucks a load for the driver, which would have been me....folks were paying upwards of 1500-3000 bucks to BE transported....amazing money maker.....i never took part, but i'd be lying if i said i didnt even think about it.....sad really....

my wife used to work at the garden shop at sears in chula vista; the poor girl got mugged and robbed twice by illegals in less than 6 months...held at gunpoint.

the point is, desperate times lead to desperate measures, and i understnd why folks would like to come here....hell, tijuana is like walking into a third world country, let alone the hell of living in it....

anyway, i dont have a fix, i wish i did....but somethings gotta give....

Doc B...:dodgy:





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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Apr 1st at 4:13am 2006


? quoting Noir
You racists have actually forced me to do the unthinkable: agree with anything Orpheus says!

Why do I truly get the impression that you gagged typing that?

*sighs*

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Posted by Dr Brasso on Sat Apr 1st at 4:48am 2006


*posted by orph

You guys, make me worry.

welcome to my world .....what kept ya??...<img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_lol.gif">

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Posted by Nickelplate on Sat Apr 1st at 6:33am 2006


Stadric, I like your apple scenario. but not only are they taking the apples, they are not putting the apple cores under the tree to compost for the tree to grow bigger. (ie, not paying taxes/giving back) They are sending the cores back to THIER yard.

It's a shame to have to send them back and all, but they DID break the law, and they do not have any of the rights guaranteed under the US constitution.




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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Apr 1st at 1:30pm 2006


? quoting Dr Brasso

welcome to my world .....what kept ya??...

Doc B...

Actually, truth be told I get tired of it. It feels like school again. You have the cool kids and .... That other guy.

I was that other guy.

Lets try this. How about someone agreeing once in a while without the commenting on how disgusting it makes you feel. You all can bathe afterward without informing us all how grungy you felt.





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Posted by French Toast on Sat Apr 1st at 4:59pm 2006


I agree.




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Posted by Orpheus on Sat Apr 1st at 5:03pm 2006


? quoting French Toast
I agree.

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