Bah, politics!
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Posted by Orpheus on Wed Apr 12th at 7:30pm 2006


I see it this way. If people, both westerners and easterners, are weak willed enough to buy into the propaganda of hate, there is little we can do about it except wait for some kind of an eye opening experience to enlighten them.

If people, specifically Arab nations, truly hate the United states, I doubt very,very seriously that the hate is from anything first hand in experience.

That said, propaganda is a powerful tool and can be used in reverse. If the nations that are hated do not do anything to disillusion the propaganda then they are wrong by lack of incentive. [edit] I meant to say, "initiative"

Anyway, thats my take.

As for myself, I hate ignorance. If someone hates me without knowing me, then their hate lacks any power to influence me what so ever.





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Posted by pepper on Wed Apr 12th at 8:21pm 2006


Your quite right there Orp, people get influenced so easily by what they see and here on TV and Radio, quikly considering it as legitimete and as the truth. As U2 Sang:

When fact is fiction and TV reality

One great example of this is offcourse WWII, but a more interesting one is the witch hunting in Europe in the 16th century. With fear for the unknow feuled by the domican church people started seeing wiches everywhere.




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Posted by FatStrings on Thu Apr 13th at 1:28am 2006


yeah people believe the media way to much, which of course happens to be almost completely controlled by the government of course, i have to agree with orph and pepper

but andrei seriously didn't you read the memo, only the usa gets nukes noone else




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Posted by Andrei on Thu Apr 13th at 12:45pm 2006


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but andrei seriously didn't you read the memo, only the usa gets nukes noone else


What I was trying to say was that the US refuse to give-up on nukes for the same reason Iran and North Korea refuse to give-up on their nuclear programs.
And I still don't see why the US is more trustworthy than Iran.

Ok, this is getting old. For the sake of decency, let's talk about something else. Yeah...unnatural weather we're having, don't you think?




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Posted by Orpheus on Thu Apr 13th at 1:12pm 2006


? quoting Andrei

And I still don't see why the US is more trustworthy than Iran.

For the sake of not sounding overly patriotic, the USA is a bit more trustworthy than some nations. I do not know enough to specifically point out which but I do know that there are nations that I would not really like to see have nuclear arsenals.

The USA dropped 2 bombs. I happen to be one of those people who think, in hindsight, that it was the best course of action to follow. The US of 1945 didn't have enough knowledge in nuclear weaponry to be dropping those bombs but in the end, the action proved to be the best or all the worse possible solutions.

That said, the US has had numerous occasions for dropping many more bombs and yet, has not done so for reasons I suspect are purely selfish ones but whatever the reason, I am glad that none have been deployed.

Most, if not all of the 3rd world countries currently wanting a nuclear weapons option, are about where we were in 1945 and as I said before, we did not have the capability of understanding exactly what that responsibility portended.

Back then however we had...10,000 megaton bombs? Now we have bombs that make those 2 look like fire works on some summer nights celebration.

3rd world countries do not need that capability. Now, or ever.

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Posted by Andrei on Thu Apr 13th at 1:39pm 2006


I guess it's true. But maybe the reason they didn't drop any other bombs was because they were afraid of a similar response from their target or from any other hostile nation? I shudder to think how Bush Jr. would have handled the Cuban missile crisis, though. [edited]




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Posted by Orpheus on Thu Apr 13th at 1:43pm 2006


I dislike him as much, or more than most yet... There was ample opportunity to drop many such bombs and none fell.

Its not like we have a shortage on the things and need to conserve them for some future event. The point is, I am hopeful that checks and balances are in place that are sufficient to forestall such a dropping.

If Bush could have gotten away with it, they would have been used. That much I am certain of. Since none fell, he obviously had insufficient powers to employ.

Good thing all around methinks.





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Posted by Nickelplate on Thu Apr 13th at 2:55pm 2006


I think that until bombs can be made to have a lot less fallout and effects on the WHOLE world, we ought not even consider using them.


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Posted by Orpheus on Thu Apr 13th at 3:02pm 2006


? quoting Nickelplate
I think that until bombs can be made to have a lot less fallout and effects on the WHOLE world, we ought not even consider using them.

Depends on what you consider "Fallout"

Me personally? I consider "Ramifications" a major portion of fallout. There are other definitions besides the particles from the sky.





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Posted by Nickelplate on Thu Apr 13th at 4:00pm 2006


well I've got no problem with wiping out a whole bunch of hostiles at a time, but having damage spread over the whole WORLD to do it is not cool. If we ever nuked Iraz or any of those guys over there, We'd hit a bunch of our aLLIES like Israel.


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Posted by rival on Thu Apr 13th at 10:36pm 2006


antimatter bombs are the solution!


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Posted by Nickelplate on Fri Apr 14th at 4:01am 2006


antimatter bombs cannot exist, i mean. seriously, if antimatter explodes on contact with matter, then what kind of casing would you use to contain it til explosion? even an antimatter casing would explode on contact with the air which is regular matter... dang.

but you're right, they ARE the answer. lol




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Posted by wil5on on Fri Apr 14th at 11:21am 2006


The antimatter would be held in a vacuum chamber with a magnetic field which prevents it from colliding with the boundary of said chamber, then the field is switched off to detonate the bomb.




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Posted by Andrei on Fri Apr 14th at 12:09pm 2006


How about neutron bombs? They only kill living things, leaving buildings and vehicles perfectly intact and ready for occupation. AFAIK they don't have any large scale side-effects.

Oh, and guys...you just nuked Dark_Kilauea's sig <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_lol.gif"> .




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Posted by rival on Fri Apr 14th at 1:10pm 2006


? quoting wil5on
The antimatter would be held in a vacuum chamber with a magnetic field which prevents it from colliding with the boundary of said chamber, then the field is switched off to detonate the bomb.

exactly what i was thinking.
one would only need like pin head sized pieces of antimatter for kilotonne yields




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Posted by Nickelplate on Sat Apr 15th at 3:22am 2006


? quoting wil5on
The antimatter would be held in a vacuum chamber with a magnetic field which prevents it from colliding with the boundary of said chamber, then the field is switched off to detonate the bomb.

I thought about the vacuum, but I didn't think about the magnetic field. does antimatter have magnetic fields? and if so, is its field reversed in polarity from the regular version of the element?




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Posted by wil5on on Sat Apr 15th at 9:17am 2006


I really dont know enough physics to say with certainty, but I'm pretty sure you can hold anything in place with a strong enough magnetic field. I dont know how the fact of a substance being antimatter changes its magnetic properties, I suspect it would not. Magnetic fields will be used for similar purposes in fusion reactors, I imagine the principles are similar.


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Posted by Hugh on Sun Apr 16th at 4:34am 2006


? quoting Orpheus

Back then however we had...10,000 megaton bombs?

Old quote but anyhoo, the biggest ever detonated was 50 megatons, and the ones used on Japan were 21 and 16 kilotons.




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Posted by Nickelplate on Sun Apr 16th at 7:56am 2006


WHOA!! 16 Kilotons? That's almost as much as Your Mom.


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Posted by DrGlass on Sun Apr 16th at 8:26am 2006


just want to make a few points related to some stuff in here.

  • Islam doesn't hate America, Ratical people who use Islam as a tool to "con" gullible people into blowing themselves up hate America. Its kinda like slave owners teaching blacks about the great reward of Heaven to keep them in line, and we dont blame christianity for slavery.
  • while the US has only dropped 2 A-Bombs ever, there have only been 2 bombs ever dropped. i.e. USA has dropped 100% of offensive atomic bombs. All though, I would trust the US with nukes before I would trust Iran with them. But the point is that NO ONE should have nukes, its M.A.D. to use those kinds of wepons.
  • You cant fight terrorist, its simply a paradox. Bomb a building kill 3 people inside, 1 known terrorist and 2 other possible terrorist. No matter what thats 3 members of 3 families. I'll bet that most people here would want to bring the killer of their family member to justice... it just so happens that the planes dropping those bombs had USA plastered all over the side. There is a great flash game that illustrates this point perfectly, I'll try and find it.





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