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Posted by MisterBister on Sun Apr 16th at 10:46pm 2006

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But most of the fun for me comes from making them, like when I built my spudcannon I learned alot about PVC and air pressure (I made a pneumatic spudgun), and when I made my throwing stars, throwing knives, and blowgun, I learned a bit about metals and working with them. Plus its cool to get good at using them. To me guns are an entirely different matter. You don't neccesarily have to be focused or sane to fire one, and even the weakest of guns (not counting bb guns) can kill.image.


It sounds like you like to work with your hands. You could probably have made anything instead of weapons and enjoyed it equally as much.

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Anything can be used as a weapon. A crowbar for example is a great weapon, and is perfectly legal; I'd feel much safer with one in the back seat of my car, especially when I cross some "hot" neighbourhoods.


Yes unfortunately you can. But there still are tools whoose purpose is solely killing, and I'm talking about those.

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WTF? What is with peoople owning guns that is so bad? As long as they are sane and don't have any serous criminal background I don't see a problem with it. I believe in gun safety but not outlawing them.


I actually dont agree with you here. Just because youre a "sane guy" does'nt mean that you wont be able to accidentily kill someone. A sane person could kill another (bad) person in very stressed situations, aswell as kill someone accidentily. Killing in either situation is a step in wrong direction.

? quoting orph

I have a temper with a fuse about an inch long. Consequently, we have no fire arms within my home. I also, own no personal knives either, for the same reason.


Im glad that you are able to make such a mature decision.
As a typical Swede ive only one thing that could possibly tell how i feel about your other opinions and standings:
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Posted by Dr Brasso on Mon Apr 17th at 1:11am 2006

i suppose we could say the same about you and yours as well there mr b....but i choose not to.....just because its different, doesnt make it wrong right off the bat.....and besides....what good would a debate with no other outlook be?? <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_wink.gif">

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Posted by rival on Mon Apr 17th at 1:33am 2006

? quoting Dr Brasso
i suppose we could say the same about you and yours as well there mr b....but i choose not to.....just because its different, doesnt make it wrong right off the bat.....and besides....what good would a debate with no other outlook be??

Doc B..

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Posted by Gaara on Mon Apr 17th at 2:15am 2006

Hey I'm not against guns, I just went to a gun range yesterday for the first time and am now trying to get a firearms license. BUT I don't think rifles are a good choice for defending yourself in a home, because handguns are made for closer ranges. But I'd be scared of someone else finding it/taking it from me and using it against me though. Also has anyone ever talked to someone who think games give them the ability to shoot any gun in real life?


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Posted by FatStrings on Mon Apr 17th at 2:33am 2006

guns dont kill people, bullets do
that and excessive bloodloss




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Posted by French Toast on Mon Apr 17th at 2:34am 2006

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What I don't get is how come your so open mided to homosexuals yet you have no respect for Orph's opinions? Your just another dips**t who's trying to fit in with the vision of a politically correct society by defending stuff you don't even understand and then bashing those who don't agree with it.


Let me be clear, if I wasn't before. I'm not another dips**t trying to fit in with the vision of a politically correct society by defending stuff I don't understand. I defend stuff that I do understand, and I'm bashing Orph for being a really dick about saying that I don't actually accept gays. I've probably had more experience with homosexuals then you have, and I can tell you that I am acceptant. So Orph can say whatever the hell he wants, but he's wrong.




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Posted by rival on Mon Apr 17th at 11:55am 2006

? quoting Gaara
Hey I'm not against guns, I just went to a gun range yesterday for the first time and am now trying to get a firearms license. BUT I don't think rifles are a good choice for defending yourself in a home, because handguns are made for closer ranges. But I'd be scared of someone else finding it/taking it from me and using it against me though. Also has anyone ever talked to someone who think games give them the ability to shoot any gun in real life?[/quote]

yes i have. those kind of people are real dicks. i absolutely hate people who have a mindset like that

EDIT: somehow my post got inside the quote...




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Posted by Orpheus on Mon Apr 17th at 12:49pm 2006

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I've probably had more experience with homosexuals then you have, and I can tell you that I am acceptant.

After the conversation I had yesterday, that sentence is so funny.

Go ahead Frenchy, let it all out. I can say quite truthfully that you are in no position to know if I am right or wrong. You can disagree, but never be certain enough to say "Orph is wrong"

In fact, I am quite certain that nobody is in a position to say such a bold statement.

Let me say this once more for posterity. A straight person cannot accept homosexuality. If they could, they wouldn't be adverse to having sex with their own gender. In which case, they too would be Gay and this conversation would be moot.

You already stated that you are not Gay, and I believe you. This makes you highly tolerant of the concept of Homosexuality.

One who is tolerant, cannot conceive of themselves having sex with their own gender, but have no adverse reaction to someone else doing so.

Frenchy, you are tolerant, not accepting.

[EDITED] The green has been highlighted because it is the ground for my supposition.





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Posted by Spartan on Mon Apr 17th at 1:39pm 2006

? quoting French Toast

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What I don't get is how come your so open mided to homosexuals yet you have no respect for Orph's opinions? Your just another dips**t who's trying to fit in with the vision of a politically correct society by defending stuff you don't even understand and then bashing those who don't agree with it.



Let me be clear, if I wasn't before. I'm not another dips**t trying to fit in with the vision of a politically correct society by defending stuff I don't understand. I defend stuff that I do understand, and I'm bashing Orph for being a really dick about saying that I don't actually accept gays. I've probably had more experience with homosexuals then you have, and I can tell you that I am acceptant. So Orph can say whatever the hell he wants, but he's wrong.

You have no idea how funny that statement is.





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Posted by ReNo on Mon Apr 17th at 3:47pm 2006

In general Orph, I think you are just stating your own views on what it is to tolerate, and what it is to accept - not necessarily universally accepted meanings of the words. For that reason I think this is another topic that just comes down to semantics. Frenchy clearly has a problem with having his feelings about homosexuals being summed up by "tolerant", and I can see why - it is a word that, in general, suggests that you do so "begrudgingly". Maybe for you the word doesn't bring with it so many negative connotations, but I know it does for me and I'm willing to bet it does for many. Accept is a far less negative sounding word - it suggests you have made peace with something and harbour it no ill will.

I think that most people would agree, if somebody is a friend, and I mean a real friend, then we do not tolerate them, we accept them. In doing this, we accept their quirks and foibles. If one of them is homosexual, does that mean we can only tolerate them?

I also think that you are being rather hypocritical in telling Frenchy that he isn't allowed to call you "wrong", yet you are quite happy to point out that he is wrong in saying he accepts something.



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Posted by Orpheus on Mon Apr 17th at 4:44pm 2006

*sighs*

Semantics.

Oh well, you can view it any way you want to. In my mind you will be viewed exactly how I view you, not how you want to believe you should be viewed.

If you do not accept, my view on the word tolerant, so be it.

And, the difference Duncan. Frenchy "Said Orph is wrong"

I on the other hand never used the word, I just showed him the difference as I see it. I detest people using the word "Wrong" in a sentence when the topic is purely an opinion based subject. I may have indicated that I felt he was wrong, but I didn't use those words. It sets him up as the definitive decider of who's got the correct position.

If I said the sky was pink, and in fact it was blue at the time, you could say I was wrong. If I say you are tolerant, and you say I am wrong because you are accepting. Thats the difference.

In the end, I don't care if using the word "acceptable" makes you feel better. Its out of context and shouldn't be used. "Tolerant" is the better choice.

Screw how it feels.





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Posted by Bewbies on Mon Apr 17th at 4:56pm 2006

IMO, it's not about the weapons, but who's owning them and for what reason. I'd trust Mother Theresa with a nuclear weapon sooner then I'd trust your average Joe with a BB gun.

[edit]s**t, mother theresa is dead, isn't she? my bad.[/edit]




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Posted by Dr Brasso on Mon Apr 17th at 4:58pm 2006

interesting retort there duncan....

imho....homosexuality goes against everything that is natural, f**k religion and the like (crosses self***).....nature....the methods of procreation dictate this emphaticly....even a dog thats humping your leg would eventually give up, if hes taught that its wrong, or that he figures out theres no hole to pop.....take it a step further....that same dog, or (insert mamalian species here**) whatever, suddenly finds a hole to pop...."whoa...whats this?? wewt!!! " ....until he figures out the one be poked is male, and gets his ass bitten because, the latter hound says..."wewt!....my ass!!!" ...the natural order of things.....experimentation and retention....teacher of all things good and bad....

one step further.....humans....still nature, the teacher.....males and females..."insert tab a into slot a, so on and so forth"....in order to divert from that tried and true, and natural system, one has had to have had either a) an experience in thier development that precludes them from actually discerning the events as natural, or unnatural, because....hey....that felt pretty damn good....hmmm....that which is enjoyable, is repeated....and the human animal is one of few that can rationalize it past what is instinct.....and after its rationalized, it is defended.....the rest is history.

or b) could be a medical condition, as ive seen data supporting this thoery as well.....in that context, they are "born that way...." ...personally, i find that an "excuse".

now....seeing as i have a brother who is not only as flamingly gay as the wind is clear, hes militant.....and for many years, ive had a theory that i actually had something to do with his "condition", as he used to take some powerful ass whoopings from me and my older sister, which i KNOW f**ked up his head but good....the folly of youth....and im sure it carried over....theres no way it couldnt have....

he has his partner, and they are actually very nice, kind, polite, and reverent, in their own way....i love my brother to death, and i would fight and die for him....hes my brother....but that doesnt mean the debate doesnt get heated when we are aropund the christmas dinner table....and although we are both mature adults, at least usually, weve ironed all that s**t out....and i was right...

....and ill take that fact to my grave.

point is, this is my personal opinion, bourne of many years of experience, and all that goes with it, good and bad.....maybe thatll give a new angle, maybe not. tolerance and acceptance are interchangable to a degree, but some of both are needed, just to get through the day. who actually goes a day without one good rationalization...?

.......but wtf does this thread tangent really have to do with weapons??

Doc B...

edit....ah yes....he can hit me with his purse....////runs





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Posted by MisterBister on Mon Apr 17th at 6:01pm 2006

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imho....homosexuality goes against everything that is natural,



I assume that you define "natural" as in nature.
If so, how do you explain that there are gay animals aswell?

There are even species (sorry for not remembering their names) where the males choose to be gay during the seasons when the females arent "breedable".


My personal opinion is that there isnt such things as homosexuality, bisexuality or being "straight". We all may fall in love with people not their sex. We all may fall in love with someone with the same sex as ours. The reason why most people dont is because we supress those feelings, consciously or unconsciously.

We simply dont allow ourselves to watch people with the same sex the same way as we watch people from the opposite sex.



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Posted by Gwil on Mon Apr 17th at 6:39pm 2006

Whatever the case, this clearly isn't a topic about homosexuality?






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Posted by Orpheus on Mon Apr 17th at 6:50pm 2006

? quoting MisterBister


I assume that you define "natural" as in nature.
If so, how do you explain that there are gay animals aswell?

There are even species (sorry for not remembering their names) where the males choose to be gay during the seasons when the females arent "breedable".


My personal opinion is that there isnt such things as homosexuality, bisexuality or being "straight". We all may fall in love with people not their sex. We all may fall in love with someone with the same sex as ours. The reason why most people dont is because we supress those feelings, consciously or unconsciously.

We simply dont allow ourselves to watch people with the same sex the same way as we watch people from the opposite sex.

Now, I am going to try to put this in some logical fashion, but since we are talking about an illogical subject it might prove beyond me.

1st off, people may fall in love with the individual, and not the sex but how does that matter in the slightest? People fall in love, with someone else's spouse every day, yet it is supposed to be wrong. If its OK to fall in love with the same gender, it should be OK to fall in love with someone else's spouse.

2ndly, are you attempting to compare animals to people? Animals commit things daily, that people would go to jail for. People are supposed to know the difference, that is why they are animals and we are people. Now, thats not to confuse evolution and whatnot, because I believe we evolved from animals, but I would like to hope that being such, I could distinguish right from not right.. (I hesitate using the word wrong because someone will call me on it.)

3rdly, it is human nature to breed with everyone that one can get away with (some actually do) but most of us know its wrong to do it so we control ourselves.

4thly, its within a males nature to breed, period. Age doesn't even seem to matter, only our taboos keep us from having sex with children. Yet, even though a few do it we still know its incorrect. (wrong)

Now, you expect me to believe, that just because two people love each other in some fashion, it shouldn't matter that there genders are conflicting?

I for one, do not believe its a suppression of any sort. Its in our nature to know its (wrong) to have sex with the same gender. Our genetic make up dictates it.

I would be willing to bet (but have absolutely no way of doing so) that if there were a way to test people, people who have no preconceptions of homosexuality, that they would still be abhorrent to the idea if they were shown.

In other words, people are not taught to dislike homosexuality, its in our nature to dislike it. Its as much a possibility as being born Gay. I still disbelieve thats even possible, but if its true, so is being born against it.





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Posted by Bewbies on Mon Apr 17th at 6:50pm 2006

well maybe..

gwillypoo.. want to examine the effects of my sixshooter in a very frictional situation? IMO, it'll be quite the enjoyable exchange.




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Posted by Gwil on Mon Apr 17th at 6:55pm 2006

Sounds like an offer I can't refuse :P

But maybe just this once i'll have to turn it down <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_wink.gif">




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Posted by Orpheus on Mon Apr 17th at 6:59pm 2006

? quoting Gwil
Whatever the case, this clearly isn't a topic about homosexuality?


Clearly, unless you are suggesting that weapons cannot be such. I mean, people use words as weapons, in fact I heard that the pen is mightier than the sword.

People use ideals as weapons too.

What if homosexuality is a weapon intended to disrupt the very core of this site?

Gawd, I'd hate to think... Then again, I dare you to find a thread that has stayed on topic. <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/heee.gif">

Clearly, I think that sometimes it does more harm to forbid a thing, than to allow it.

There is a topic on drugs here. Its a flammable topic because many believe that legalizing them would ruin the concept and people would stop doing them so much.

The police don't want them legal because they couldn't make money off the convictions.

The dealers damned sure don't want them legal. Everyone knows that supply and demand dictate prices.

Now.. Is this a topic on homosexuality? Not really, but it could have been.





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Posted by Stadric on Mon Apr 17th at 7:09pm 2006

Why am I always late to these things?

I'm just going to rebuke Orph for a sec, then I'll be on my way.
Orph, you said that Frenchy can't accept homosexuals, on the basis that that would make him homosexual. This is coming from the guy who recently made the distinction between homosexuals(the people) and homosexuality(the idea). If Frenchy were accepting homosexuality(the idea), that would make him a homosexual, yes, but he isn't accepting the idea, he's accepting the people. By accepting the people, he is merely becoming friends/friendly with them, not participating in homosexual activities along with them.



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