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Posted by Hugh on Mon Apr 17th at 8:28pm 2006


I take more and more crap as I get older because I care less and less. After a while you just accept that most people won't live up to your standards and what can you do, change their attitudes? No, that would be discrimination and the thought police will be on your ass faster than you can go "Oh <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/sad.gif">"

It's like when someone's listening to music that "I don't agree with" (because it sucks) and so I point them towards something better and they're like "NOES!! blink 182 r best band evr lolz!!" So you just give up and move on (if you're me), and I couldn't be happier. <img src=" SRC="images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">




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Posted by Nickelplate on Tue Apr 18th at 12:27am 2006


I think they should legalize ALL narcotics, and tax the hell out of them, put ALL responsibility on the end users no matter WHAT, so they cant sue the dealers/manufacturers/etc. and then see what happens. Most of the people who would do enough of these drugs to be killed by them are not the kind of people we want around anyway.

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Posted by Biological Component on Tue Apr 18th at 1:06am 2006


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Posted by Stadric on Tue Apr 18th at 1:48am 2006



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over here its resin, weed or grass is a little more rare

I'm sorry for you, man.
In the LA area, very many people smoke pot, and everyone knows it, but they don't talk about it in public, except in their little groups. If the people who keep giving talks about the supposed "dangers on marijuana"(most of which is BS, BTW) actually gave a damn, they would pay attention to the ever-present conversation on what went on last weekend.

As for halucinogens, salvia is safe, and I'm trying to get my hands on some(because it's legal here, and it sounds interesting for mapping inspiration). As for LSD, I read somewhere that the FDA regards it as very safe, the problem seems to be people lacing it, or substituting a paper bag filled with lighter fluid for it.



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Posted by rs6 on Tue Apr 18th at 1:56am 2006


I have read that LSD has no physical side effects. One of its down sides though is that it can seriously change your outlook on life, and philosophy of things; sometimes for the worst.



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Posted by Hugh on Tue Apr 18th at 2:46am 2006


Yeah, you can take as much LSD as you want and you won't die, though you might want to once mutant alien cockroaches start coming out of the wall and procreating with you.


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Posted by Stadric on Tue Apr 18th at 3:06am 2006


It's the same with pot. In order to overdose on THC(one of the more fun active ingredients in MJ(Delta-9 Tetrahydracanibinol)), you would have to smoke enough marijuana to die of asphyxiation before you'd OD.
That's one of the things "Above the Influence" doesn't tell you.

If anyone would like to debate this, and the validity of other anti-drug propoganda, you have the floor.(*please,please,please,please*)

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Posted by GreenDragon on Tue Apr 18th at 4:03am 2006


Yeah, you just have to watch out for the laced stuff. Thats why we get our supply from a family friend.


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Posted by Crackerjack on Tue Apr 18th at 6:29am 2006


Well, seeing how pot is easier to get then beer here in America, I smoke more pot than I drink, I mean I get it delivered to my doorstep. But my view on things is I would prefer if only natural drugs were legal, I mean christ... their plants and mushrooms. But I wouldnt mind if LSD was legal too, but then again its really not for some people so i dont know where i stand on that issue really. Anyways, I say chief away.





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Posted by Loco on Tue Apr 18th at 8:23am 2006


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I think they should legalize ALL narcotics, and tax the hell out of them, put ALL responsibility on the end users no matter WHAT, so they cant sue the dealers/manufacturers/etc. and then see what happens. Most of the people who would do enough of these drugs to be killed by them are not the kind of people we want around anyway.
I'm a firm beleiver in taking responsibility for ones actions. I also LOVE the Darwin Awards.

Interesting point that has been put forward many times. My only problem with this is the addiction side which leads to crime. A vast portion of burglaries etc are motivated by drug abuse, so if you legalise them but tax them heavily, would you actually increase drug-related crime?

Anyways, I'm not going to comment further on this because:
1. I disagree with most people on this subject I'm afraid (as in I'm pretty firmly anti-drugs), but that's just my personal opinion.
2. When I get back to school (tomorrow) I'll be behind a filter that will almost certainly ban this topic!

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Posted by poisonic on Tue Apr 18th at 2:34pm 2006


To my opinion using drugs can<be fun i like to use CANABIS(Mariuana,weed) it inspires me....... i dont get wasted of it ...... im blessed with ADHD so for me a joint sets me to a lower gear....... ive tried XTC,SPEED,COCAINE&MUSHROOMS.......... but the HARDDRUGS is less fun....... so ill stick on joints.....




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Posted by pepper on Tue Apr 18th at 3:41pm 2006


Never tried any drugs. Even though its legal here. Then again why should i?




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Posted by FatStrings on Tue Apr 18th at 3:45pm 2006


as i said before i before i can't find harm in certain drugs as long as they're used in a controlled manner
addictions and reliance are were problems seem to happen with otherwise harmless substances
even if you legalized them and overtaxed them nickel there would still be dealers selling them below store prices and i don't think it would make that much of a difference, but the dealers might be able to get ahold of it easier




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Posted by Stadric on Tue Apr 18th at 7:51pm 2006


No it wouldn't. If cocaine were legal, there would be less of a profit for Columbian cartells to sell it to America, because American licensed dealers would get it from legal sources, not from the cartels. Illegal drug planes get blown out of the sky, cahes of illegal drugs are found and destroyed frequently, thus decreasing supply, and increasing the price per gram. It is extremely rare for a shipment of legal drugs to be seized by federal agents, so, given that there isn't a drought, or something else to decrease supply, the amount going in stays pretty high, supply goes up, and cost decreases.
Besides, most people would much rather buy safe blow from a licensed, legal dealer, than some low-grade crap off the street illegally(In both cases it would probably be cut first anyway, though).



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Posted by DrGlass on Tue Apr 18th at 8:26pm 2006


Drugs are drugs. Use them in an irresponsible way and you will pay for it. I've done a slew of drugs in my short time as a person "under the influence." I feel that for the most part I?ve been a well informed and responsible consumer.

My only problem with drugs is their connection with social taboo. Anti-druggies spread more miss-information than politicians. Non-users either get wrong information or know so little about drugs that they, like most people, fear what they don?t know. When a child inquires about drugs (free vibe, above the influence, truth) they are told: ?drugs are bad, people who do them are bad, don?t do drugs.? Then when the poor impressible teen is introduced to drugs (as many of us are) they find out how fun they can be and go overboard.*

This is why there needs to be a more open discussion about this topic. I find that many non-users (not surprisingly most people here are far more open minded) are so ?brain washed? that it is impossible for them to make any kind of choice for themselves on the issue.

I?m not trying to glorify drug use. Drugs, like many other things, are a superfluous activity. I agree with Gwil, it?s less the drugs and more about the social connections it makes and opens up.

Kids who live just to get f**ked up on pills or meth , and have no idea what they are putting in their bodies are the kind of users who get hurt most often. These people let themselves get addicted and convince themselves that they need these things. Its that kind of though process that it really harmful.

*my ex was anti-drug/cigs/alcohol until she got to college and was surrounded by people who were o.k. with all that kind of stuff, and now she is failing out of college, and worse yet lying to our friends about her smoking pot. All because she doesn?t know how to be responsible with that stuff.

[EDIT] also, making all drugs legal then taxing them (I assume you mean like taxes on cigs) would only create a system where addicts are paying for rich kids to go to school. If you want to see a good system check out amsterdam's stand on drugs.





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Posted by rival on Tue Apr 18th at 8:32pm 2006


i dont think all drugs should be legalized. some are just too dangerous to become legal. ive witnessed people on heroin and cocaine and their behaviour is pretty unpredicatable. plus there is a high OD risk to themselves


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Posted by Stadric on Tue Apr 18th at 9:06pm 2006


I agree, not all drugs should be legalized. Currently illegal minor depressants should be legal(pot), currently illegal stimulants should remain illegal(cocaine, meth, heroine), and some halucinogens should be legalizes(LSD, herbal halucinogens), but some should remain illegal/prescription only(ketamine).
I was only using cocaine as an example above, I personally think that stuff is a plague.

Still, the arguement that legalizing all drugs will lead to social clean-up(scourge) is intriguing, but immoral...ish.



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Posted by GreenDragon on Wed Apr 19th at 12:43am 2006


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My only problem with drugs is their connection with social taboo. Anti-druggies spread more miss-information than politicians. Non-users either get wrong information or know so little about drugs that they, like most people, fear what they don?t know.


I agree 110% with your whole post and that little part should really stand out to everyone. After I first smoked pot, I realized that there is such a big hype aobut how bad it can be and ruin your life, "gateway drug" and all that crap. Its more about the person and who your smoking weed with. Weed is about the only drug that I think shoudl be legalized, as long as its completly natural (only weed i smoke is naturally grown). If the people you smoke it with are like the people i hang out with, its completly fine. We dont do any harder drugs or anything, we have a couple of beers go out back smoke a joint or two (a few more smoke a cig after but i dont do smoke those) and get back to drinking and dancing and having a good time. I find it helps even more to take the edge off, its like taking a few more shots of alcohol with more laughing and less of the "I'm going to be sick" feeling.

The way they work it up in school is as soon as you smoke one joint your life is screwed. It doenst turn out that way, as long as the people you are with are not toal idiots and dont try and go off the deep end with it. If it wasn't weed those same people (that schools say your going to turn into) would be sniffing paint or something. It's all about the person and having something I call...a brain.

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Posted by Hugh on Wed Apr 19th at 1:07am 2006


Word! Basically the only people who've ever told me about adverse effects on drugs are people who haven't done them... which might mean that druggies are too enveloped in their own little worlds to care, but that's not usually the case.

Responsible irresponsibility ftw! Just because they're certainly capable of f**king up some people's lives, doesn't mean they f**k up everybody's life, every time. I still prefer liquor.




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Posted by Gwil on Wed Apr 19th at 1:17am 2006


No disrespect to you guys, but you do take a very one sided opinion of drugs. I used to shout up the right to take drugs, and the experiences you can have with drugs and good friends - but over the years, depending on circumstance, you can easily see how drugs can and will mess lives up beyond belief.

I've taken drugs for about 7 years now, and despite my early days as a champion of them, a lot of my time under the influence and the subsequent actions and undertakings relating to drugs, I am ashamed of.

Dabbling in pot and possibly hallucinogens once a week or less is not a real insight into the damage that drugs can do, both mentally and physically. No offence guys.

Edit: just to say - I support better understanding of drugs, and reevaluation of their legal status - but I would warn against having laughs at a party whilst smoking pot and then qualifying yourself to promote the cause of more relaxed attitudes to drugs.

If you are "really into" drugs and drug abuse, one day, most likely several days, weeks and months will stick in your mind when things turn sour. As one other point too - GreenDragon: I consider myself to be pretty intelligent, and I know that at least 3 of the people I count as good friends and intelligent ended up in regrettable social and domestic situations because of their drug habits. Like any substance, you have to understand that they are addictive and are detrimental to your personal life if abused - which is easily done, especially at impressionable ages or mindsets.








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