Sadly, even though I hate the topic, I find that passing on misinformation is almost as infuriating as not doing anything at all.

My only fear is, that I might persuade someone to think like myself. That, I couldn't live with. Whenever I post, negatively, or positively, its meant to be in such a way as to ONLY inform people how I see things. I NEVER want to persuade someone into my way of thinking because quite honestly, its a dead end direction.

People like me are dying off. For good or ill, damned few have the fortitude to hold onto their beliefs even unto total excommunication from ones own peers.

Even if it costs me every friendship I presently have, I will never waiver in my views BUT, I am so glad that there are truly open minded people. If there weren't, I'd have no friends at all by now.

It takes a heart of gold to forgive me sometimes.

People, if you do not take any other advice I ever give, take this piece to the grave. "Do not listen to folks like me. I have lived a miserable life and I would never wish that upon another fellow human being. Especially one I like as much as you guys."

/ my part in this thread.

I don't think christians have anything agianst fisting and all that, now premarital fisting is another thing.

Humans act on something OTHER than the natural instinct of self preservation? So we are different than animals now?

My whole opinion on all this is that only heterosexuality is okay, between consenting adults (married, if you want to carry it further). HOWEVER, i think that all sexual preferences will be accepted in the future, with the exception of the forcible and paedo kinds.

All i wanted to know is if you think that other S.P's will be accepted in society at another time.

no, history never repeats itself.

Spartan: How does it NOT mess a kid up to have two parents of the same sex? He will be SO confused by the time he's old enough to have friends raised by "normies."

I don't think single parents or gay parents should be able to adopt a child.

homosexual parents nowadays are like african american parents 60 years ago. it's not a matter of opinion of who can raise a better child, but a matter of safety. kids with gay parents are much more likely to be picked on/beaten up etc.. or even become homosexual as well - causing the same difficult life. again, it's not a matter of what's better or worse.. but what's accepted by the masses. (homosexuality is still considered a great sin in many places.)

i like gay people - so don't get me wrong.. i even have a gay brother. more often than not, they're nicer than straight people. if i were gay, i wouldn't put an adopted child through the same s**t i had to go through.

It cannot until people learn how to properly present their positions. I firmly believe in what I think and say, but sometimes being firm isn't exactly enough. In the end, as long as I am comfortable with my position, I feel that I have done my very best to illustrate myself adequately. The fact that many, or even most utterly failed to recognize my posts as definitive never sways me. The fact that someone else has neither the knowledge, or experience to see, or understand my replies is not relevant to the replies validity. I know I am right/correct/positive. Thats enough. I don't need numerous people telling me that this is so to be true.

One thing that I feel that many here always fail to do is exemplify themselves in such a way as to sound like they know what they are talking about, even if the topic is a bit sketchy as far as its conclusion ending in a positive way.

For instance. Most of the time, I talk about homosexuality, and not homosexuals. I can differentiate between the two because I can and do see that one is a concept, and the other is a person.

Most times, I talk about homosexuality ONLY. This time, I will talk about the homosexual. The idea of Gays, specifically Gay men adopting children will never be widely acceptable. Even though I feel that Gays should be automatically disqualified, that is not why they will never be widely accepted. The reason is, because the same rules that govern normal peoples adoption options ALSO apply to Gays. Specifically, No male is permitted, except under extremely rare cases, is allowed to adopt children. The general idea is, men want to rape them. Its a fundamental fact. Its pure bulls**t, very few men want to rape children, but the idea is "One saved child is worth all the bad feelings over not being allowed to adopt" In other words, if they prevent the event by not permitting the situation to happen, then they saved a child by default.

The bulls**t is, there are so many children that need parents. A few bad apples is ruining it for everyone.

Anyway, they will never allow one man to adopt, so by association, they will never allow 2 men either. So the Gay issue is MOOT fellas.

My personal belief system aside. The topic of Gays adopting is solvable/resolvable without getting insulted, or being insulting. Gays cannot adopt by the very rules that govern adoption. Not because they are Gay.

/story

Most of the time Nickel, you are so full of s**t that I wonder how make it between baths. I actually cringe because on the rare occasions where you and I agree, your methodology is so chaotic that it makes me look bad too.

But, that reply actually made sense.

I commend you.

Well done.

we need to put this quote someplace for future reference.

tsk tsk....***shakes head....let this one die folks.

btw gwilym, i always wondered this: what streets take the place of boardwalk and park place in the british version of monopoly? " SRC="images/smiles/heee.gif">

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